Supplying to restaurants

[sauer]

Where is this stated please? I have no recollection of it being stated in Wild Game guide and can’t immediately find any reference to it online?

I’m on holiday only got phone so I’m not going searching for it
But it was in relevance to “hunters exemption” that I come under
It was also picked up upon by my EHO
If I remember when I get home I’ll look it out
I also remember something along lines of you can only sell within your county boundaries or a given mileage past it … I have folk asking if I’d mail order across country and that’s a no no as well

Paul

 

[sauer]

Found here
“Marginal” must not be more than quarter of total sales

 

[75]

Found here
“Marginal” must not be more than quarter of total sales

I’m not sure this is applicable. Under the regs we are classed as “primary producers” not retailers.

The localised bit is true either way but the regs state:

An individual who shoots game alone, or as an active member of a hunting party or a shooting estate that organises shooting of wild game, is considered a primary producer.
There are then specific references to supply by the primary producers to retailers, such as:

Direct supply by the producer of wild game to the final consumer and/or to local [B]retailers[/B] who directly supply to the final consumer
So my interpretation is that the exemption you quote is only applicable to a retailer not a primary producer. We (as primary producers) need to meet the requirements in the table on this page (which include multiple scenarios including direct sale - but that doesn’t make us retailers):

Primary producers of wild game: requirements and exemptions

The food hygiene regulations regard hunting of wild game for human consumption as a primary production activity.

www.food.gov.uk

 

[Corvid8x57]

Sounds very complicated - I was delighted to swap a skinned fallow calf for 10 pints of beer in my local pub recently. Much better return than the game dealer!

 

[The Singing Stalker]

Yup 25% is all you can supply according to my bloke as well.
You have to jump through more hopes to be able to sell more, but can’t remember what they were as I was happy with the 25%

 

[5MM/.20Man]

My view , giving meat away to family and friends is one thing . Selling or passing on so small game/meat so it can be sold , totally different matter .

Unsure of the law just dont do it .

 

[75]

Unsure of the law just dont do it .

or read the very simple table in the link I posted above. It’s very simple and as primary producers in a market that needs increasing consumer uptake / confidence, we should bloody know the law.

You have to jump through more hopes to be able to sell more, but can’t remember what they were as I was happy with the 25%

I’m pretty sure this is incorrect. The exemption is in relation to full registration as an AGHE:

The food hygiene regulations allow a retailer to supply wild game and wild game meat to other retail establishments only, without the need for approval as an AGHE.

As a slight aside, don’t expect your EHO is an expert in this stuff. Of the 4x EHOs I’ve engaged with across two local authorities, none had a clue about wild game regs. They were very interested and very supportive but looked to me to tell them which guidance was applicable etc.

 

[The Singing Stalker]

Interestingly I have just gone and started reading the guidance as it has been updated in 2022. I cannot see the 25% rule in there any more. I will have to have a deep dive when I am back home and check the information .

 

[kieran222]

So the senaro is,
Someone I know runs a hotel & restaurant. The owner knows I do a bit of stalking and asked if we could supply his restaurant on an occasional basis.
I said yes and as a good will gesture offered a small fallow carcasses FOC to the chief thinking it might lead to a regular supply.
2 months later despite nurmours emails to the chief I've heard nothing not even any feedback from the first carcasses I supplied.
Now I see the restaurants new menu has venison and Pheasant (which I also can supply) advertised.
Do I contact the owner and ask why when I supplied a FOC carcass I haven't even had feedback or Chalk it up to experience and move on?

Out of curiosity, was it shoulder shot?

 

[Ratcatcher]

or read the very simple table in the link I posted above. It’s very simple and as primary producers in a market that needs increasing consumer uptake / confidence, we should bloody know the law.



I’m pretty sure this is incorrect. The exemption is in relation to full registration as an AGHE:



As a slight aside, don’t expect your EHO is an expert in this stuff. Of the 4x EHOs I’ve engaged with across two local authorities, none had a clue about wild game regs. They were very interested and very supportive but looked to me to tell them which guidance was applicable etc.

Agree re EHOs, I sat opposite 4 varying EHOs for most of my 30+ years none had a clue about this subject, but were quite happy to look it up, think of EHOs as doctors of food, if you're ill you may get a lucky break and have a doctor who specialise in what you've got? If not you get a second opinion.

 

[Redleg]

Out of curiosity, was it shoulder shot?

It was high neck shot , no meat damage.

 

[Greenmist]

How popular was it on the menu, if it didn't sell well, maybe it was more trouble than it was worth, not a criticism of you or your product, can't even remember the last time I say venison or game on a menu, or prawn cocktail for that matter

 

[VSS]

Supply to restaurants seems to go in fits and starts. They'll be all over you for a few months, can't get enough of it it seems, and then you don't hear anything for a year or so. Then, all of a sudden they're knocking on your door again. All depends on what's trending at the time.

 

[75]

Supply to restaurants seems to go in fits and starts. They'll be all over you for a few months, can't get enough of it it seems, and then you don't hear anything for a year or so. Then, all of a sudden they're knocking on your door again. All depends on what's trending at the time.

Agreed. And they often want it at short notice - regardless of how many times I explain they are wild deer and can't be shot to order.

 

[VSS]

Agreed. And they often want it at short notice - regardless of how many times I explain they are wild deer and can't be shot to order.

Ah, the advantage of having my own herd