Tang safety style guns

[Kjf]

A bolts are about 500 to 600 brand new

X bolts about a £1000 depending on stock

The a bolt synthetic stalker had no bells n whistles but everyone I've had from 223 , 243 and know 308 does the job with factory ammo

The X bolt in 3006 does the same with factory ammo ( but it's got a laminate thumbhole stock ) that cost me 740 second hand

A bolts come up on here 2nd hand for £300 to £400

Enjoy the search mate

Kjf

 

[Heym SR20]

Ah. Got it. If it were for stalking given that we may see lead core bullets outlawed I'd have advised against anything below .30 calibre or as an absolute minimum 7mm. As going forward the 6.5mm and the 6.8mm (.270 WCF) don't offer bullets of the weight you may one day want to use in non-lead.

In the 6.5 you can get a 139gn and in 270 a 145 gn non-toxic bullet that works very well Fox Classic hunter - Fox Bullets - Lead-free bullets & ammunition. Given that most 6.5's have a fast enough twist stabilise long heavy for calibre bullets such as the 160gn they will have no problems stabilising a 139gn non toxic bullet. I have had no issues at all with the 7mm 130 gn Fox bullet - every dead on the spot, and friends using the 6.5mm have had no issues either. But as always put bullet in the right place. The big challenge is the 6mm / 243, whereby the Scottish min of 100gn bullet doesn't work for non-toxic, as rifling in most 243's doesn't twist fast enough to stabilise a long 100gn non-toxic bullet.

 

[Griggo06]

A bolts are about 500 to 600 brand new

X bolts about a £1000 depending on stock

The a bolt synthetic stalker had no bells n whistles but everyone I've had from 223 , 243 and know 308 does the job with factory ammo

The X bolt in 3006 does the same with factory ammo ( but it's got a laminate thumbhole stock ) that cost me 740 second hand

A bolts come up on here 2nd hand for £300 to £400

Enjoy the search mate

Kjf

Much cheaper than what I've found so within my price range.

 

[Heym SR20]

Probably the biggest difference between most double shotguns and rifles and their safeties is that a rifle is non-automatic and doesn't go on safe when you reload. You must manually put it on safe. But all guns are always loaded as far as I am concerned and the most important part of any gun safety is the shooter.

Most tang mounted safeties on both rifles and shotguns only block the trigger and will not prevent a hammer or firing pin from falling in the event a fall, bang on the stock etc. The Mauser Flag or the 3 Position Winchester style both mounted on the cocking shroud and the Ruger Mk2 are the only safeties that truly block the firing pin and prevent it from falling. And then of course you have the Kickspanner style decockers on the Blaser and Merkel rifles. All other safeties on rifles only block either the trigger, or the sear that in turn holds the firing pin. Knowing this I only chamber a round when stalking into an animal and my rifle is in my hand.

 

[Griggo06]

Probably the biggest difference between most double shotguns and rifles and their safeties is that a rifle is non-automatic and doesn't go on safe when you reload. You must manually put it on safe. But all guns are always loaded as far as I am concerned and the most important part of any gun safety is the shooter.

Most tang mounted safeties on both rifles and shotguns only block the trigger and will not prevent a hammer or firing pin from falling in the event a fall, bang on the stock etc. The Mauser Flag or the 3 Position Winchester style both mounted on the cocking shroud and the Ruger Mk2 are the only safeties that truly block the firing pin and prevent it from falling. And then of course you have the Kickspanner style decockers on the Blaser and Merkel rifles. All other safeties on rifles only block either the trigger, or the sear that in turn holds the firing pin. Knowing this I only chamber a round when stalking into an animal and my rifle is in my hand.

From the incy bit of stalking I have done I only loaded the round when a suitable beast was found, then did I chamber the round. So I completely agree.
The shock of leaving against a tree climbing over a gate when the gun is on safety could maybe make it go off, unlikely but possible.

All things to think about when buying a first rifle.

Thanks to all.

 

[enfieldspares]

Ah but the thing is HEYM is that you may not get enough weight in that non lead bullet. Which for those countries that mandate a minimum weight of 10 grams (154 grains) bullet you can't make that weight in non-lead.

 

[Heym SR20]

Ah but the thing is HEYM is that you may not get enough weight in that non lead bullet. Which for those countries that mandate a minimum weight of 10 grams (154 grains) bullet you can't make that weight in non-lead.

Point taken, but I am pretty sure you will need to go to 30 cal in that case as the non-toxic bullets max out at 150gn in the 7mm with most of the commonly loaded - ie RWS, Norma, Fox, Geko etc are all 130 to 140 gn non-toxics.

 

[Pkiernan]

Proper rifles have dockers....

 

[Utectok]

Personally I like the Sauer 202 safety. you do get used to it and it’s impossible to knock off when Carrying (roe stalking I carry a loaded rifle with safety on)

 

[Southern]

I like them because they are fast like a shotgun, quiet because you have complete control under your thumb to slide them gently into the Fire position. Some of the more modern rifles, like the X-Bolt, have a separate button to permit unloading by working the action while the trigger is on Safe.

No worry about adapting. I shoot CZs with the backwards safety, Mausers, old Steyer Mannlichers, the 1970s Mannlichers with the side sliding safety, the Prohunter with the rolling safety, Model 70 Winchesters, Remington 700, Ruger tang safety and MkII, Ruger American Predator, Sauer, tang safety Ruger No.1, tang safety Browning B78. It's like changing from an automatic transmission, to a stick drive sports car, to a stick 4WD pickup - you won't have to think about it.

 

[SDC7x57]

My old Dan'l Fraser is built on a Mannlicher Schoenauer 1903 action, which has the big old 'flag' safety. Extremely positive and locks 'the lot'. However, the clearance under the scope is close, especially when you have gloves on. An extra tang safety was fitted when the rifle was built which somebody (Enfield?) mentioned only blocks the trigger. However, when the shot is on and the rifle is on the rest/sticks, it does make things a bit easier (I find...) just to ease off the flag and go to the tang safety for final shot release.