The 21 Winchester Rimfire

[Heym SR20]

Bringing a 140 year old cartridge up to date. 22lr was introduced in 1884.

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Review: Winchester 21 Sharp

Designed by Winchester to provide top performance with lead-free projectiles, the new 21 Sharp rimfire cartridge utilizes a .22 LR case but a .21-caliber, non-heeled projectile that offers several key advantages over the standard .22-caliber projectile, yet remains affordable.

www.americanhunter.org

There have been several rimfire cartridges introduced over the last century and a bit. The 17 HMR and 22 WMR have gained some good traction. Others have disappeared. This little cartridge looks to have all the benefits of the 22 LR and non of the disadvantages.

 

[20-250]

There's another thread running on this.
As I said on that, with no subsonic ammunition it's never going to catch on here.

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

There's another thread running on this.
As I said on that, with no subsonic ammunition it's never going to catch on here.

I agree subs are fundamental for the hunters in the UK.

But for range work- if its priced the same as normal 22LR- the 21 sharps could be viable for targets and range stuff.

If its priced like the HMR it won't manage much IMO.

UK market is tiny anyway tbf.

 

[Smellydog]

and non of the disadvantages.

What ere they again?

 

[Heym SR20]

What ere they again?

Twist rate is problematic for non lead bullets. The requirements for a healed bullet not ideal for a good ballistic shaped bullet - its why you always have a round nosed bullet rather than a pointy bullet etc.

The 22 though does work well as it is designed, but in most other rifle calibres we are no longer using 140 year old technology, and given way cartridges and rifles work it is difficult to bring a the 22lr up to date whilst compatibility with old rifles.

 

[cjm1066]

The 17 HM2 was a previous attempt. Reports on the 21 Sharp suggest disappointing accuracy so it's not delivering ots potential yet.

I suspectnthe PCP air rifle will take the subsonic market in time.

 

[Smellydog]

Twist rate is problematic for non lead bullets

I fine with lead .
A heeled bullet does not determine the shape of the bullet front and the heel in effect is similar to a boat tailed bullet..

Also my friend, there are many many very old cartridges still in use, no?
If it's not broke don't fix it!

It's just another attempt to extract money really.

 

[KimE]

I agree subs are fundamental for the hunters in the UK.

But for range work- if its priced the same as normal 22LR- the 21 sharps could be viable for targets and range stuff.

If its priced like the HMR it won't manage much IMO.

UK market is tiny anyway tbf.

15-25$/50 Probably going to be 25£/50 in europe

 

[KimE]

Twist rate is problematic for non lead bullets. The requirements for a healed bullet not ideal for a good ballistic shaped bullet - its why you always have a round nosed bullet rather than a pointy bullet etc.

The 22 though does work well as it is designed, but in most other rifle calibres we are no longer using 140 year old technology, and given way cartridges and rifles work it is difficult to bring a the 22lr up to date whilst compatibility with old rifles.

45-70, 44 russian, 44-40 centerfire made about 1870. 8*57 1888 the same year as 22lr, 7 mm mauser 1892. 6,5*55 1893 (131 years).

 

[Heym SR20]

45-70, 44 russian, 44-40 centerfire made about 1870. 8*57 1888 the same year as 22lr, 7 mm mauser 1892. 6,5*55 1893 (131 years).

However other than the 45-70, pretty much all the others are hanging on by threads. Even the 7x57 is very much a shadow of its former self.

Of the mainstream cartridges the likes of 243 win, 308 win are mid 1950s, 6.5 Creedmoor is early this century. Admittedly the 270 will getting its Birthday card from the King quite soon, but its not the go cartridge of choice by the younger generations.

The only really old cartridges still in widespread use are 7.62x54Russian as used in the Druganov and heavy machine guns, along with the 9x19mm handgun cartridge. 45 acp and 30-06 are still use in civilian use but getting less popular.

 

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However other than the 45-70, pretty much all the others are hanging on by threads. Even the 7x57 is very much a shadow of its former self.

Of the mainstream cartridges the likes of 243 win, 308 win are mid 1950s, 6.5 Creedmoor is early this century. Admittedly the 270 will getting its Birthday card from the King quite soon, but its not the go cartridge of choice by the younger generations.

The only really old cartridges still in widespread use are 7.62x54Russian as used in the Druganov and heavy machine guns, along with the 9x19mm handgun cartridge. 45 acp and 30-06 are still use in civilian use but getting less popular.

8x57 & 6,5x55 still pretty popular in Scandinavia. 308win most popular, 30-06 and 9.3x62 also on the list.

 

[Smellydog]

.30-30 Winchester: 125 years after its introduction, ammunition sales still among the top

It's 125 years old and doesn't perform like more modern cartridges, but .30-30 ammunition sales are still near the top for centerfire rifles.

eu.clarionledger.com

 

[billy_boyle_2010]

15-25$/50 Probably going to be 25£/50 in europe

interesting- hmr money

I wonder which will be the favoured target round ?

 

[kenbro]

Any more news on this round?
Kb.

 

[Cogswell & Harrison]

Any more news on this round?
Kb.

Starting to see a number of videos on the tube, results are not very encouraging though. Could be either the round itself or the (new production) rifle used.

 

[KimE]

To much wind drift with unleaded bullets in it. I wounder if they work in a 22wmrf.

 

[webley701]

Starting to see a number of videos on the tube, results are not very encouraging though. Could be either the round itself or the (new production) rifle used.

Not too impressive so far.

It’s amazing how sometimes even ‘140 year old technology’ is difficult to replace.