The Creedmore isn't perfect!
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tackb
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I’ve short a lot and I mean a lot of stuff with the 270, again that just comes down to choice of projectile and the speed you push it at!
130gn Barnes ttsx or 130gn S game king at 2900
Whereas 130gr BT at 3100 will be horrible.
Exactly as you say - choice of bullet and speed.
Same is true of absolutely any cartridge.
I’ve seen some very messy outcomes from 7mm-08 shooting SSTs - and that’s ballistically identical to 7x57.
Also seen some deer run a very long way with no blood trail from 150gr shot slow from a .270.
You can find failures with every cartridge. People also have rather different definitions of failure.
I much prefer severe carcass damage with no running over clean carcasses with some risk of running. But that’s a personal choice.
Rutland lad
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Hang on there- I’ve got both of those !
With the right bullet, the 300WM is a great choice. Great at range, with minimal meat damage.
The 308 is great too but at lesser ranges for me.
Choose the correct bullet at the correct speed, and both are great.
Leec6.5
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Bang on the money!
A lot of my hating of calibres comes from poor of bullet choice, don’t get me wrong as a guide I want a quick, humane death as possible but not with the look like it’s been fed a hand grenade
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I think Hornady did a great job of designing bullets that matches the 6.5CM really well. In this case the 143ELDX. First pic is a deer taken at 10m and second pic is a deer taken at 614m. Exit wound is very similar. How many other cartridge/bullet combinations could do the same? I don't mind a little more damage and have changed to 140ELDM to have a little better BC. My rifle has a 20" barrel. Overall I think the 6.5CM is ideal for smaller-medium deer.
This one taken at 635m with 140 ELDM
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This one taken at 635m with 140 ELDM
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shakey jake
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Not viewableI think Hornady did a great job of designing bullets that matches the 6.5CM really well. In this case the 143ELDX. First pic is a deer taken at 10m and second pic is a deer taken at 614m. Exit wound is very similar. How many other cartridge/bullet combinations could do the same? I don't mind a little more damage and have changed to 140ELDM to have a little better BC. My rifle has a 20" barrel. Overall I think the 6.5CM is ideal for smaller-medium deer.
This one taken at 635m with 140 ELDM
edi
None of the exits were excessive. Only one that ran was the 614m which ran 40m. Other two dropped on the spot.
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wildfowler.250
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I’ve found the popular 143 ELDX to be pretty messy. Accurate but messy.
By converse, I find accubonds in the .270 pretty neat on a carcass
WildBoarHunter
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I do not own a 6,5 CM, but I am using 6,5×55 which is is basically the same thing. Two decades ago I was using 30-06 and 308 win calibers and then went for 6,5×55 as I was looking for something with a little bit less recoil due to health issues but with still enough punch to be able to hunt wild boar and red deer. For years I was pleased by the 6,5 mm, its accuracy - which is by the way better than 308 win at least in my experience, and also its somewhat lower recoil while still giving enough punch for me to dispatch even large game cleanly. It's excellent accuracy combined with a pleasant recoil makes it an extremely efficient cartridge for hunting light to medium game.
But comparing 308 and 6,5 mm side by side, I must make a few remarks.
First, barrel length. While the 6,5 mm is decent from a 20 inch barrel you still just can't shake off the feeling that you are walking right on the edge with regards to how much punch the cartridge packs, especially when hunting large game. 6,5 mm really likes somewhat longer barrels to get the proper power out of it. But, longer barrel in combination with a silencer tends to shift the balance of the rifle too much forwards.
Second, the bore diameter is obviously smaller with 6,5 mm caliber so this makes a standard contour 6,5 mm barrel considerably heavier than the standard contour 7,62 mm barrel.
Third - I noticed when using short 308 win barrel that the rifle is lighter, shorter and also the overall balance of the rifle with the silencer on is a lot better and there is almost no noticeable forward weight.
Forth - 308 win with it's larger diameter and heavier punch is much more appropriate for use on driven hunts, which are an important part of hunting culture and tradition here. To use the correct type of bullet for the job at hand is very important, but there's no way to go around bullet diameter. Wider is the correct way to go when driven hunting.
I have been reading countless debates about 6,5 mm bullets vs. 308 win for years. So I would dare to say that while both calibers are really excellent and some of the best I ever used I would still say the 308 win is the overall winner and more universal of the two. It tolerates shorter barrels well, punches harder, the bullet is larger diameter which is important especially on driven hunts, and also the rifle is lighter, shorter, handier...
But comparing 308 and 6,5 mm side by side, I must make a few remarks.
First, barrel length. While the 6,5 mm is decent from a 20 inch barrel you still just can't shake off the feeling that you are walking right on the edge with regards to how much punch the cartridge packs, especially when hunting large game. 6,5 mm really likes somewhat longer barrels to get the proper power out of it. But, longer barrel in combination with a silencer tends to shift the balance of the rifle too much forwards.
Second, the bore diameter is obviously smaller with 6,5 mm caliber so this makes a standard contour 6,5 mm barrel considerably heavier than the standard contour 7,62 mm barrel.
Third - I noticed when using short 308 win barrel that the rifle is lighter, shorter and also the overall balance of the rifle with the silencer on is a lot better and there is almost no noticeable forward weight.
Forth - 308 win with it's larger diameter and heavier punch is much more appropriate for use on driven hunts, which are an important part of hunting culture and tradition here. To use the correct type of bullet for the job at hand is very important, but there's no way to go around bullet diameter. Wider is the correct way to go when driven hunting.
I have been reading countless debates about 6,5 mm bullets vs. 308 win for years. So I would dare to say that while both calibers are really excellent and some of the best I ever used I would still say the 308 win is the overall winner and more universal of the two. It tolerates shorter barrels well, punches harder, the bullet is larger diameter which is important especially on driven hunts, and also the rifle is lighter, shorter, handier...
Usual load of old tosh from the Creedmoor bashing brigade 
I love it when people say what a "girls gun" but have never shot with one...ignorance is bliss I suppose.
Right bullet in the right place, end of story, regardless. Im sure plenty of you with big manly guns such as .270, .308 etc etc have all had deer run further then expected with absolute perfect placement?
I love it when people say what a "girls gun" but have never shot with one...ignorance is bliss I suppose.
Right bullet in the right place, end of story, regardless. Im sure plenty of you with big manly guns such as .270, .308 etc etc have all had deer run further then expected with absolute perfect placement?
Do you find you get more damage from the 140 eldm? Or more from the eldx?I think Hornady did a great job of designing bullets that matches the 6.5CM really well. In this case the 143ELDX. First pic is a deer taken at 10m and second pic is a deer taken at 614m. Exit wound is very similar. How many other cartridge/bullet combinations could do the same? I don't mind a little more damage and have changed to 140ELDM to have a little better BC. My rifle has a 20" barrel. Overall I think the 6.5CM is ideal for smaller-medium deer.
This one taken at 635m with 140 ELDM
edi
Also whats expansion like on the eldm?
Yes - it can be very messy at higher speed if it hits bone.
It really excels at intermediate speeds and distances.
Leec6.5
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Ahhh you’ve knocked the nail on the head there!
And here lies the problem with all ammunition and calibre, there’s a fashion trend of thrashing the daylights out of your projectile and the only thing that I can figure out why is so people don’t have to think about drop!
And if you don’t wanna think about drop, you have to ask yourself the question why am I shooting a rifle?
I always like the talk of "flat shooting rifles"...doesnt exist but appreciate some are flatter then others. I have a 150 yard zero on the Creed and still account for bullet drop beyond 200 (appreciate I only shoot out to 300 so not "long range")Slightly more expansion with the ELDM, better for those doing neck/head shots.
edi
Very few folk are taught about drop, even fewer are well taught.
Regards
JCS
Leec6.5
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I wasn’t gonna be that blunt unusually, but that’s 100% fact
Leec6.5
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I was using a .22 Springer in the spring just gone, shooting rabbits at 25m + metres
The big problem here really is that people don’t want to go and play and shoot bullets at different ranges because they’re expensive £80 a box in years gone by when I was doing load development admittedly that’s something I don’t have to worry about now but wouldn’t be uncommon for me to shoot 20,30,40 rounds to get a load now it’s 6 max
But then again, that’s 20 years of reloading my own ammunition experience, took me to get a load for my 7 x 57, 6rounds of 150gn lead and 4 rounds of copper.
When you know exactly what you want to achieve, it’s all easy and cost-effective
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