The future is electric
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Plus, we've barely got sufficient electricity generation for current demand, never mind when there's 50 million cars to charge and we've thrown all our gas boilers on the scrap heap. And that's before all the lights go out for five days every time there's a strong autumn wind.
And at the end of it all, we'll still only be saving less than 1% of global carbon emissions and we'll still be throwing the toxic waste from spent batteries down disused coal mines for future generations to deal with because we haven't worked out how/can't be arsed to deal with it.
Oly
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Talk about exaggerating...there's only 30 million cars now!
Number of cars on the road in the UK | Statista
There were around 33.2 million passenger cars in operation in the United Kingdom in 2022.
www.statista.com
Does anyone actually do any investigation of "facts" before posting online?! Try this new website called www.google.com rather than proliferating negative hearsay.
UK net zero target is for 2030. We have a rate of net population increase running at 400,000 a year. Try extrapolating (look it up).Talk about exaggerating...there's only 30 million cars now!
Number of cars on the road in the UK | Statista
There were around 33.2 million passenger cars in operation in the United Kingdom in 2022.
Does anyone actually do any investigation of "facts" before posting online?! Try this new website called www.google.com rather than proliferating negative hearsay.
jim_allen_uk
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Considering Google maps shows 9 charging station around Oban alone and Tesla have more than 5 chargers on the west coast I’m not convinced you’ve done much fact checking in that claim!!
Oly
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Two points...Net zero by 2030?! I wish! The UK has not signed up to that target. I'm happy to be corrected if you Google it...but I'm sure you'll find this
Net Zero Strategy: Build Back Greener
This strategy sets out policies and proposals for decarbonising all sectors of the UK economy to meet our net zero target by 2050.
Even if it were 2030...you accept that population can rise, but electric production and distribution cannot?!
Oly
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PS: your population growth rate is massively exaggerated too...presently 284,000.
Thanks for the reminder to look it up,
Population estimates for the UK, England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland - Office for National Statistics
National and subnational mid-year population estimates for the UK and its constituent countries by administrative area, age and sex.
www.ons.gov.uk
I'm not convinced that you know where the NW coast is never mind the NC500 !
try googling the correct location
The ONS, a Whitehall quango... Meh.PS: your population growth rate is massively exaggerated too...presently 284,000.
Thanks for the reminder to look it up,
Population estimates for the UK, England and Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland - Office for National Statistics
National and subnational mid-year population estimates for the UK and its constituent countries by administrative area, age and sex.www.ons.gov.uk
Your gullibility blows any exaggeration on my part out of the water.
Don't bother to reply. There is no debate to be had here. It's a dead-end.
Even if there are "only" 35 - 40 million cars when ICE cars are banned, where does the extra electricity come from, and forget off peak electricity, when all the EVs are plugged in to charge whilst their owner sleeps it won't be off peak anymore.Talk about exaggerating...there's only 30 million cars now!
Factor in the high pressure systems in Winter when there isn't much wind generation, also shorter daylight hours so not as much solar, the grid struggles now so how is the extra demand going to be met?
I'm sure that EVs will become practical options for most people, but not much good if we don't have the juice to charge them.
Oly
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Haha, no data = no credibility
Oly
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Where's your evidence that the grid won't cope?
Why should we forget off peak electric? The vast majority of useage is still daylight industry use.
We have loads of wind, and shed loads more to be delivered. Yes there's less windy areas, but that's where new storage tech comes in...so liquid air storage, iron air batteries and V2G. But we're a long way off that yet, so lots of time to deliver in time.
Climate emission killer: construction begins on world’s biggest liquid air battery
Exclusive: project will store renewable energy and reduce climate-heating emissions
amp.theguardian.com
New 'iron-air' battery stores electricity from renewables for days
The battery will help tackle climate change by reducing the need for fossil fuel power plants, according to technology startup Form Energy, from Massachusetts, US.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Oly
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Electric cars are not much good up here in NE Cumbria/Northumberland /Durham/ lots of Scotland As there is no electricity in a lot of the areas due to storms a week ago to charge them ???
The attached zap map shows all the chargers available around Durham and Newcastle. The few edged in red are out of use. The rest are all available.
Generally power outages are localised, so it's not too hard to drive to the next charger if needed on those rare occasions, the same as if the petrol station had run dry for example.
Yes you can carry a jerry van of fuel for ICE vehicles, but now you can also carry a small battery pack for EVs too...this is what most AA & RAC vans now all have on board.
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Oly, keep it up man, I'm with you 100% of the way - and thanks for taking the **** from the usual suspects - it's usually me who gets it 
Cheers
Bruce
Cheers
Bruce
How are you going to get petrol and diesel for your car when the number of evs increases to the point where the falling numbers of ICE vehicles make petrol stations unprofitable.
At that point petrol stations either close down or sell fuel at even more extortionate prices than now - which will make even more people get an ev
Cheers
Bruce
