The great riflescope and binocular fading light test! (A bit of fun)

Interesting to see the results. Expect not a lot to choose and different eyes will have different results. One thing such a test never reveals though is how tough a scope is. The most important thing for any scope is to maintain zero and to do so even if bounced around in a pickup etc.
 
Some very good points there. Yes, toughness counts for a lot, as does repeatability/erector assembly quality. These are tools as well as finely engineered optical instruments and how they fare day to day is half their value. The Nightforce feels the most robust of the lot, the turrets are incredibly reliable and probably the best of the lot, closely followed by the (surprisingly) Bushnell Elite Tactical. Park that one though. It's a robust, very well made LR target scope parading as a "sniper" scope. It is not a stalking/hunting scope. At around a kilo in weight, you'd have to be Hercules or just plain optimistic to consider it for a stalking rifle.
 
Zeiss Victory best scope. Would go for the Leica bins if 8x but fear 10 power may limit twilight performance
 
Chester,

Need to correct slight error:

the Zeiss is a 6x24x56 Diavari with illum 60 reti

Optima is an Electro Point 8x32x56mm 30mm with front P/A

Leicas are Geovids 10x42HD

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Interesting to see the results. Expect not a lot to choose and different eyes will have different results. One thing such a test never reveals though is how tough a scope is. The most important thing for any scope is to maintain zero and to do so even if bounced around in a pickup etc.


Definitely the above. I did something similar years ago and compared Tascos and Kassnars against Zeiss, Nickel and other German glass. The results were also surprising. At low light the Tascos performed well and there wasn't much between any of them. The little Zeiss Diavari 3 - 9 x 36 were the best over all. I still have them and they compare favourable to my latest Swaros and S & Bs.
 
I did the same a few years ago, but only with two scopes. A Swarovski AV 3-10x42 and a Meopta 7x50. Surprising result also.
 
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Chester,

Need to correct slight error:

the Zeiss is a 6x24x56 Diavari with illum 60 reti

Optima is an Electro Point 8x32x56mm 30mm with front P/A

Leicas are Geovids 10x42HD

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Thanks for the clarification....sorry, thought I saw "Victory FL" on the side of the scope in the photo! Then again, I can never keep up with the various Zeiss models. It was good, whatever version it was.
 
Ok. I'll give my impressions, and then Cyres may want to comment and give his, as it was he who was with me to do a comparison. I think though that we were in broad agreement on the evening.

For me, it was useful gathering the kit together and doing the assessment as it's not often we all get the chance to do something like this with such a cross section of optics.

Binoculars: Not a lot to separate them. If anything, I found the Steiners fractionally brighter and they retained a very slight edge as darkness started to creep in, but there was just a cigarette paper in it! The Leicas had better edge sharpness though.

Scopes:

First, resolution:

My rankings:

At dusk, I thought that all of them were pretty good really.

I did think (looking at distant objects and trying to pick out texture and detail) that the Nightforce just had the edge over the others. The Zeiss, Delta and Bushnell all exhibited similar resolution with the Optima just missing out...not quite up there with the others but it was close.

So for resolution at dusk:

1st place: The Nightforce, closely (very closely) followed by

2nd place: Zeiss,

3rd place: Joint 3rd Delta Titanuim and Elite DMR scope;

4th place to the Optima.

If pushed hard, I'd say that the Bushnell DMR just bettered the Delta for resolution at Dusk.

Resolution when almost dark: This shook things up a bit, as expected. The Bushnell started to struggle a little here as it didn't retain enough brightness to make the most of its pretty decent resolution. The optima fell short by quite a margin here for similar reasons.

1st place again, and this really surprised me, had to my eyes anyway, go to the Nightforce. I was just able to resolve detail, albeit, once again not quite as bright (that not being the operative word by now!) as the others. I could still make out the top wire on the fencepost and even leaves in the background when the others started to lose the sharpness a little even though their image seemed a bit brighter. Whilst it took longer to fix on the target than the Zeiss or the Delta, once locked on and steady, there just seemed to be a slight edge in definition. I really wasn't expecting this. Now whilst I have said that the Delta and Zeiss were able to hang onto the image a little longer than the Nightforce, the reality is that I wouldn't take the shot in such dark conditions. So where the light just started to fade to the extend that you couldn't make out, say, the eyes, nose and antlers of a Roe buck against woodland, that was the limit and this limit was pretty similar for the top three scopes. It's just that when looking through the scope a little longer at this point, whilst the image was a little darker, oddly, the Nightforce seemed to retain a fraction more detail and resolution than the Zeiss...just enough to make the minute advantage in contrast and shape allow better rendition of detail.

2nd: Joint 2nd went to the Zeiss & Delta but it really was close. Someone with different eyesight may have ranked the Zeiss and Delta equal joint first

3rd: Optima. I didn't think it could live with the others for resolution but it was still good and more than capable of shooting at dusk with sufficient precision.

4th: DMR: It didn't retain quite as much brightness as the Nightforce so you couldn't use its excellent resolution to any great effect and it would not cut it for shooting in this low light, especially as it had no illuminated ret and was FFP. Think again if you consider FFP a good choice for stalking without some sort of central dot illumination.


Next, Brightness/clarity

Again, some unexpected results but still easy enough to judge on merit for brightness and edge to edge clarity:

Dusk:

1st: For me, it was close, but the shear "pop" of the image and the stunning brightness available had to go to the Delta Titanium. Pretty remarkable really. It also had a better field of view at 15x magnification than anything else on test and by a reasonable margin.

2nd: Very close indeed, but the Zeiss was also clearly brighter than the other scopes and had slightly better edge picture definition than the Delta but I felt didn't quite match it for overall brightness. Another thing of note was as the dusk started turning to darkness, the Zeiss lost its finer crosshair before the Delta (which uses a very slightly thicker central crosshair...but still finer than most 4s type rets). The central dot illumination on the Delta I felt was also nicer and could be adjusted so that you could take a crow's eye out at 200 yds!

3rd: Joint 3rd to the Nightforce, optima and Bushnell DMR. The Bushnell may have even just edged it a little over the other two. The Nightforce and DMR, as with the Zeiss, both retained really impressive edge to edge sharpness, and the Nightforce in particular slightly better resolution. Edge sharpness was easily on a par with the Zeiss and better than the Delta.

As darkness fell:

This started to separate things more. Whilst the Nightforce makes a truly superb dusk scope and with its resolution advantage would make I think the better longer range dusk scope, that resolution advantage started to slip with the light almost fading to darkness. I liked its illuminated Np-1 ret a lot. Not too bright. However, two scopes stood head and shoulders above the rest:

Joint 1st place: Zeiss and Delta. There was nothing, and I mean nothing, to choose between them. Both picked out that fence wire, albeit with loss of definition, right up until it became simply too dark to use anything other than dedicated NV gear. The reality is that they both out-performed our eyes as we would both probably not have shot in that level of darkness.

2nd place: Nightforce. It was usable right out to within 5 or 10 minutes minutes of the top two, but eventually, that cracking resolution wasn't usable by the time 7:30pm had been and gone whilst the other two held on for about another 5 to 10 minute longer.

3rd: Optima. Just but only just hung in there! It faded a fair few minutes before the others though and wouldn't realistically have been usable when you were still able to take the shot with the Zeiss, Nightforce or Delta.

4th place: Bushnell Elite Tactical DMR: Just started to fade within about a few minutes ahead of the others so not usable when darkness descended, as much due to the ret as anything but the glass itself was good to dusk.

Overall Ranking:

The biggest surprise for me, at any rate:

Based on a sensible balance of brightness, clarity and resolution, optically at any rate, this is how I would rank them:

First: Delta Titanium. The shear brightness and field of view meant that in realistic (not near darkness) shooting scenarios I genuinely would have the Delta Titanium for stalking over anything else here on test. Married to that, the superb ret with fine adjustable central dot and it's the winner for me anyway;
Second: It would have to be the scope that I thought would walk it. The Zeiss. It's really good edge to edge sharpness and clarity and overall brightness simply kept it ahead of the others;
Third: Whilst arguably it retained for me anyway the best resolution of all the scopes on test, the Nightforce couldn't quite live with the Delta or Zeiss for brightness or field of view and for that reason, as a stalking scope, I ranked it third.
Fourth: Had to be the Optima. It really did fare better than I thought it might and was a decent scope more than capable of shooting to just gone dusk.
Last: The DMR. To be fair, it was never intended as a staking scope. For one thing, at close to a kilo in weight, it's far too heavy. For another, the non illuminated first focal plane ret is definitely NOT suited to stalking imho. It's a superb long distance target scope which is where it excels.

So there we have it. As Jeremy Clarkson might say, on that bombshell, the Delta Titanium HD is the winner for me...but ONLY just! It provides simply stunning performance per £.

On matters of build, it has to be noted that I have dropped the 12lb outfit containing the Delta and guess where it landed....yep, on the scope. It not only survived unmarked, but even held zero! Of all the scopes, the Nightforce is built like a tank and you just know will be going on forever. It had the best turrets of the lot too, but more tactikewel than stalking. The delta's lower profile turrets (with re-settable zero) under caps was more suited to stalking as were the excellent turrets of the Zeiss which did retain better build than the Delta but at two or three times the price, you'd expect that. The DMR was also, like the Nightforce, built like a tank. If you do use one for stalking, you'd be able to club the deer to death using it rather than relying on its optical brightness!

Now before anyone shouts "Swarovski!" I have actually tried a Swaro Z6 in similar conditions and felt that it performed pretty close to the Zeiss on test here. It had better edge to edge than the Delta but it would not have matched it for field of view, nor did it have such generous eye relief, nor bettered it much, if at all for brightness at dusk. Just calling it how I experienced it, but it would be interesting to do a side by side with the Delta nonetheless. Happy to accommodate that test!
 
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Good to know. Certainly about the Delta optics.
Did a similar test a few years ago between the two mentioned in my previous post. Used the same way of working. Checked the fixing of barbed wire on a concrete post in the distance at last light. We did it with two test persons. The Meopta outclassed the Swarovski for about 10/15 minutes.
 
Interesting and you know that it was not really scientific, but if you test in natural light which is falling in level the order you look through the scopes will have a dramatic effect on the result. Still I enjoyed it so thank you very much.

David.
 
Interesting and you know that it was not really scientific, but if you test in natural light which is falling in level the order you look through the scopes will have a dramatic effect on the result. Still I enjoyed it so thank you very much.

David.

This is very true David, and a good point, but in fairness, we both compared scopes long after dusk had settled into almost darkness. The interesting thing is that during the period that the light was falling fast, there was less to choose between the scopes. It was only once it had gone beyond what we'd both have probably shot in, that the clear winners stood out. The resolution comparisons can only be subjective without a more rigorous test using a marker like the one in this link: http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/...ptical-performance-field-test-results-part-1/ set up at a known distance. We made do with the post, post fixing and wire but not ideal.

Interestingly, a similar Zeiss topped the charts for clarity/resolution when tested using the above chart compared with a wide variety of top tier scopes on test, so who knows, in controlled lighting conditions our subjective bit of fun could well see things reversed with the Zeiss coming out top for resolution. It all appears slightly academic to me though as it's more what you see in hunting conditions and how your own eyes attune to the scope that matters, and with this in mind, it is entirely fair to say that the comparisons we undertook showed that most of the scopes evaluated were very good indeed and all very close in performance when evaluated the way we did it...for our eyes at least.

Other things like reticle usefulness/limitations, field of view and eye relief can be compared pretty fairly. One thing learnt was that rets that look very good in daylight can be all but useless at dusk/moonlight.
 
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I enjoyed it so thanks. Scopes all out of my range anyway so I can be as snootily academic as I like!!!!!!! :)

David.
 
I was a very good exercise prehaps Chester can post a picture of what we were observing.

I do agree that alot depends on your individual eyes and although I have fairy good/excellent vision according to my optician however I know at night it is no where near as good as my shooting partner or my sons.

It was actual very revealing to see how things performed in real life. My Optima is probably 20+ years old and the Zeiss was made in 2014. The Optima cost £225 S/H off this site, and currently I cannot find the original list price. The Zeiss was nearer £2k!!!

For the money the Delta is a fantastic piece of glass and the bonus is the huge FOV and mag range. If I was in the market for a varriable general purpose scope then look no further. Also if not already mentioned the Delta's illuminated dot is tiny very comparable to the Zeiss and thus offers a very precise aim point and indispensible for night work. Also dare I say it but the PA adjustment is just sublime precise and crisp (better than the Zeiss).

Lets hope Delta don't hike up their prices but in case get one while you can.

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