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Look elsewhere on this website. You'll see I am having a knife made by a craftsman in France. The postage from France is actually cheaper than it would be from England. The currency issue isn't an issue. You should also go and research bank industry rising stars such as FNZ, they are increasing their staffing levels from a few dozen, less than a decade ago, to thousands, servicing current and growing opportunities within the banking sector in Edinburgh and beyond. A YES vote will only increase their prospects of doing new and more business. They are a unique company at the leading edge of world banking and they are proud of their Scottish success but there are other companies that can say the same. What many stagnant old firms and Westminster faisl to realise is, Scotland has talent which usually has to go abroad in search of opportunity. Firms like FNZ keep that talent here and let it prosper.
 
Have you ever thought of what happened to industry South of the Border under a Socialist regime. Car manufacturing, steel etc all disappeared because of people wanting more, just as some of the Scots now want more. It would be interesting if there was such a thing as the "English Nationalist Party" to see if we wanted to ditch our British neighbours . Hang on a minute though,you can have a Scottish National Party and a Welsh National party, but I would bet my life on it that if there was an English National party it would be deemed Facist immediately by the other two.
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Coal, Steel, Ship-building, Car and vehicle manufacture, Agriculture, Fishing and Technology industries such as electronics and aero-space components, the list could also include glass-making, paper-making, aluminium production and textiles, even tyre manufacture and humble welly boot making, all seriously diminished in output and profitabilty or completely gone under the policies of Mrs Thatcher, Blair, et al, do you not know this?
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SL6.5 said:
Look elsewhere on this website. You'll see I am having a knife made by a craftsman in France. The postage from France is actually cheaper than it would be from England. The currency issue isn't an issue. You should also go and research bank industry rising stars such as FNZ, they are increasing their staffing levels from a few dozen, less than a decade ago, to thousands, servicing current and growing opportunities within the banking sector in Edinburgh and beyond. A YES vote will only increase their prospects of doing new and more business. They are a unique company at the leading edge of world banking and they are proud of their Scottish success but there are other companies that can say the same. What many stagnant old firms and Westminster faisl to realise is, Scotland has talent which usually has to go abroad in search of opportunity. Firms like FNZ keep that talent here and let it prosper.
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Okedoke.

Cross border carrier / courier and costs + cross border pensions ???

Don't forget that a lot of folk living in the (not very far) North already get screwed for carrier costs.
 
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The fourth Horseman said:
Have you ever thought of what happened to industry South of the Border under a Socialist regime. Car manufacturing, steel etc all disappeared because of people wanting more, just as some of the Scots now want more. It would be interesting if there was such a thing as the "English Nationalist Party" to see if we wanted to ditch our British neighbours . Hang on a minute though,you can have a Scottish National Party and a Welsh National party, but I would bet my life on it that if there was an English National party it would be deemed Facist immediately by the other two.
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Car manufacturing in England disappeared???? There are more cars built in Sunderland, alone, than in the whole of Italy. Corus still operate down South but not up here. Clearly you are yet another person who doesn't understand the chasm that has opened up between our respective countries.
 
If the people of scotland didnt feel so disconneted to the uk by sucessive westminster goverments then we wouldnt be at the tipping point we are now , there is no change without sacrifice , i am voting yes because i want the younger members of my family to grow up in a country that doesnt know what a foodbank is , or to be used as a test subject for tory policys.

It might be a disaster or it might be a sucess. Id settle for somewhere in the middle.
 
Today's State pension is paid for by today's tax payer. Scots pay more tax on average. So, what's your problem?
 
Scots_stalker said:
If the people of scotland didnt feel so disconneted to the uk by sucessive westminster goverments then we wouldnt be at the tipping point we are now , there is no change without sacrifice , i am voting yes because i want the younger members of my family to grow up in a country that doesnt know what a foodbank is , or to be used as a test subject for tory policys.

It might be a disaster or it might be a sucess. Id settle for somewhere in the middle.
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You think it end up in the middle?
My turn.
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SL6.5 said:
Coal, Steel, Ship-building, Car and vehicle manufacture, Agriculture, Fishing and Technology industries such as electronics and aero-space components, the list could also include glass-making, paper-making, aluminium production and textiles, even tyre manufacture and humble welly boot making, all seriously diminished in output and profitabilty or completely gone under the policies of Mrs Thatcher, Blair, et al, do you not know this?
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Oh dear, all gone thanks to The Wicked Witch of the South. If only independence had happened a generation or two erarlier and The Witch had only been ruining England, Wales etc, your typical Scot would still be cycling down to Ravenscraig, or walking to his shipyard from his Govan tenement with metal lunch pail in hand. (Whats' that? The Broons is fiction. Really?) The Scottish Coal Board would still have its happy co-operative never-ever-went-on-strike workforce dropping down a mile or two and being transported way out under the North Sea to produce lovely low-sulphur (oh sorry, that should read lovely polluting high-sulphurl) deep mined coal from, Monktonhall and Bilston Glen - and it'd be competitvely priced against strip-mined competitors from North America, Australia, or even Northumberland.

Anyway, whether a Socialist, Communist, or Scots Nat separatist government might or might not have produced Scottish results 100% different for these industries as seen right across the northern hemisphere, we'll never know. But then again, anything bad was down to the personal doings of the Scotland-hating Witch of the South. What's that? Scotland's car industry (ie Linwood) was killed off too by The Wicked Witch? Well, she was PM in 1981 when the poor beast was finally put out of its misery so it has to be HER fault, but Wikipedia gives one or two other reasons as to why anybody might want to close a factory that set records for poor productivity, lost days in strikes and never broke even on a single day's production or single car produced.

Hillman Imp and the move to Linwood[edit]


The rear-engine Hillman Imp never caught on with the buying public. The model shown is the Singer Chamois coupe.


In 1963, Rootes introduced the Hillman Imp, a compact rear engined saloon with an innovative all-aluminium OHC engine, based on a Coventry Climax engine design (originally used for a fire pump). It was intended to be a response from Rootes to rival BMC's popular Mini, and a new factory in Linwood, Renfrewshire was built for its assembly. The move to Linwood was forced upon the company by the British government, which had introduced the principle of "industrial development certificates" (IDCs) to build factories in depressed areas. The Linwood workforce had no experience in motor vehicle assembly and the build quality and reliability of the cars suffered. Another problem was that the component suppliers were still based in the Midlands, and the company incurred costs transporting half-finished engine castings from Linwood to be machined at Ryton and returned to Linwood once they had been assembled. Completed Imps returned south to Ryton, resulting in a 600-mile (970 km) round trip. The Imp itself was underdeveloped, and the build quality and reliability problems, coupled with buyer apathy towards the design was reflected in poor sales. After a reasonably successful start in 1963–65, the Imp did not sell well. Lost production caused by frequent strike action at Linwood and escalating warranty claims[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] left Rootes no money to develop other models.
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Indeed a triumph of centralised development and industrial planning from a good old fashioned socialist government (alright, when Labour had a few old-time neo socialists who were still regarded as traitors and sell-out merchants by the kind of real socialists who made up a fair proportion of the UCS and Linwood shop stewards)

If you and your friends get your way, well I hope your confidence in the newly independent state attracting and developing the finance /expertise / infrastructure to create a vibrant aerospace and other high-paying high-tech industries from scratch is well founded. Likewise, I'm looking forward to seeing the all new Scottish finance industry emerge (new as opposed to existing outfits like RBS which played a large part in nearly bankrupting the country and still leave us and future generations with massive debts to be paid somehow).
 
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SL6.5 said:
Today's State pension is paid for by today's tax payer. Scots pay more tax on average. So, what's your problem?
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Oh it's not just my problem, it's everybody who has to rely on a pensions problem ;).

BBC News - Daily question: What does the future hold for Scotlands pensioners?


In an independent Scotland, overnight all UK-wide pensions would become cross-border. A company scheme could have employees in both Scotland and the rest of the UK who have all paid into the scheme, and money will have to be paid out to them in their respective countries, and potentially in their different currencies.
EU rules state that cross-border schemes need to be fully-funded at all times. Most UK pensions are not fully funded at all times, if everyone wanted to take all their money out all at once, they wouldn't be able to. So overnight there would be "black holes" in lots of UK private pension schemes. To fill the gap it's possible that pensioners would have to pay more in, making pensions more expensive, or the schemes might be split into separate schemes for Scotland and the rest of the UK - again this is likely to cost more.
The Scottish government says that the EU would allow extra time to iron out the problems, and make sure that funds were able to adapt. The Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland doesn't think the time frame proposed would be long enough.

ps.... courier and carrier costs ????
 
Anyway. Id love to chat but my break is over. Gotta get back to work now as ive a huge VAT bill to pay to london. Gotta keep those millionaires in government in chocolate biccys and duck houses ya know
 
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I fully understand the chasm open between the two countries that has been promulgated in the North for centuries. It seems strange to me that folk could be so vehemently anti English , but having lived not that far from you for many years I experienced it first hand, although there were some decent people who welcomed me as a countryman not an English b.....d. This chasm could never heal over whilst 600 years of hatred still simmers continually under the surface,it is not just a recent thing, I honestly hope you get your way and that it is a strong yes vote, it may mean that I have to use my passport to get to the memorial at Spean Bridge next time I go but Heigh Ho that is life. Regarding car manufacture,it's a little far for you but take a look at Coventry now and how it was in the 60's. As regards Corus it is a minescule operation that when travelling through Corby you could easily miss. simil
SL6.5 said:
Car manufacturing in England disappeared???? There are more cars built in Sunderland, alone, than in the whole of Italy. Corus still operate down South but not up here. Clearly you are yet another person who doesn't understand the chasm that has opened up between our respective countries.
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The "Nuclear" Alex Salmond wants rid of is the presence of U.S. weaponry at Faslane, hardly an industry but definitely a hazard.
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Salmond promising to get rid of the nuclear base is all about gaining a few more votes from the fringes .period.shame the Muppet forgot about the votes that go with the jobs , but there again it seems he has difficulty walking and breathing at the same time .......
I don't think there is anyone sane who wishes nuclear weapons existed , but they do and they cannot be 'uninvented'.
The likes of Salmond realise that there are a few votes to be had from being anti nuclear and there is no downside as far as they are concerned , if they join the NATO club their 'big friends ' protect their hide whilst they can avoid all the cost and political hard decisions that go with being a nuclear power , win win as far as that coward is concerned .
 
wivenhoe65 said:
Salmond promising to get rid of the nuclear base is all about gaining a few more votes from the fringes .period.shame the Muppet forgot about the votes that go with the jobs , but there again it seems he has difficulty walking and breathing at the same time .......
I don't think there is anyone sane who wishes nuclear weapons existed , but they do and they cannot be 'uninvented'.
The likes of Salmond realise that there are a few votes to be had from being anti nuclear and there is no downside as far as they are concerned , if they join the NATO club their 'big friends ' protect their hide whilst they can avoid all the cost and political hard decisions that go with being a nuclear power , win win as far as that coward is concerned .
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We'll need a wee navy to protect Our fisheries though, speshlee from the Angle hoards. Won't we?
 
As SL 6.5 says our state pension is payed by present day tax payers, fine the problem is Scotland has an aging population

so if we are to maintain that level we need more people coming in to the country, more people earning, starting new businesses
attracting business from elsewhere , will it happen nobody really knows it requires a leap of faith, but sometimes that's just what you need to do .

Salmond has made no secret of the fact that he favours the Scandinavian model of economy, so yes that does mean higher taxes for those earning enough to pay them, in spite of that their standard of living for the average person is much better than here.

P.F. Would the postal service cost more, possibly, but it looks like there are changes coming in the postal service anyhow
so we don't know what the present service will be like in the future, so don't think anyone can tell you if it will be better or worse.

Carriers don't see why they would be much different from now , if you live anywhere other than the central belt you are shafted in any case , some of them class a Falkirk postcode as the Highlands, so no change I would imagine or they end up classing the whole of Scotland as they do the Highlands and Islands at the moment, pain in the rectum but not the end of the world.

Borders There is no real problem for those from the UK traveling to the Republic of Ireland , there is also no control between the UK and the channel Islands nor the Isle of Man which are not only not part of the mainland but they are not even in the European Union, so why should there be a problem border crossing between Scotland and England
 
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