The Shooting Show (Youtube)

[Webley Boy]

If I had a £1 for every time a person who swung a muzzle past my head and, noticing my alarmed look said, "it's OK, the gun isn't loaded" I'd be a wealthy man! They guy climbed over a fence with a loaded rifle. No amount of assurances about there being nobody behind the camera, or the gun was unloaded or any other assumptions will convince me otherwise.

The only way to be sure in this case would be for him to have opened the bolt and proved the rifle unloaded. Basic safety practice, and one which should have been emphasized in the filming if only to show novices or any non shooting public viewing this film, of the correct and safe way of doing things.

 

[trifle codor]

No doubt the gun is unloaded. Perhaps a few seconds showing him unloading or a comment in the narrative would make the point, but on the other hand, it isn't meant as a safety video and obviously the piece has to be cut to a certain length, so that would be surplus to requirements.

Chill out folks, go and have a cup of tea, but don't point that boiled kettle at anyone.

Excellent Pedro, very pleased that you have so eloquently summed up the situation.

I also make sure that I 'unload' all the water from my kettle when I cross any fences, I even pop the top off it to show anyone present that there is no water loaded in it and under no circumstances is the spout pointed at anyone - 'spout awareness' is absolutely imperative!

 

[Taff]

You guys must be a bag of nerves by the time you watch a war film all those actors swinging guns around, and not one disclaimer to say it unloaded, and yes this is entertainment.
Webley boy perhaps you should change your shooting friends if they worry you that much.

 

[timbrayford]

To quote Mark Beufoy:-

"Never, never let your gun
Pointed be at anyone.
That it may unloaded be
Matters not the least to me.

When a hedge or fence you cross
Though of time it cause a loss
From your gun the cartridge take
For the greater safety’s sake."

atb Tim

 

[patrickt]

Tim, well said, "better to know what is hidden, than to hide the uknown"

 

[paul o']

I Love a good debate whether it is loaded or not? i feel the show could have gone by the best practice and by the book, ie( do as i tell you and not what i do) and not as most do when out alone !!! being over the top for the watching public can't be a bad thing. As none of us were there and editing is so easy to do who can say ? but why rant at a chap who's only comments were he was't happy with how it was shown !!! i to saw it and commented Muzzel ?? lol.

 

[Cris]

No DSC pass there then!

 

[AN DU RU FOX]

every guns loaded, till its shown not to be simples. no opinion on the video just SAFE PRACTISE.

 

[270Buck]

At the start of the video PC says he is going for a text book stalk.

That practice is not in any text books I have ever read!

 

[Psyxologos]

At the start of the video PC says he is going for a text book stalk.

That practice is not in any text books I have ever read!

I agree. Very poor show and sends out a very wrong message, especially since this broadcast could/would be watched by people starting out in stalking and seek information about how things are done. Hoe many people here use the internet to get as much information as possible about how to do things? I know I have done in the past and still do occasionally...

 

[trifle codor]

Curious division over something that is within our sport, I have stalked enough to know most stalkers would have crossed that same obstacle without unloading, the issue of the muzzle sweeping past the camera has simply got the hard core clipboard toting, bra too tight brigade well and truly on their self gratifying, opinionated soap boxes!

Strange that the criticism comes so easily, compared to the shooting media, in what ever format, just what do YOU contribute to the present and future of our sport?

Even stranger that the greatest effort seems to be focused on pulling things down?

To all those reasonable hurrah, to the petty whingers Foxtrot Oscar!

Over and Out TC

 

[Webley Boy]

Oh dear! What a shame it is that a thread which started out with people expressing their opinions in an adult and dispassionate way should descend so quickly into one where immature and personally abusive comments abound.

 

[timbrayford]

Curious division over something that is within our sport, I have stalked enough to know most stalkers would have crossed that same obstacle without unloading, the issue of the muzzle sweeping past the camera has simply got the hard core clipboard toting, bra too tight brigade well and truly on their self gratifying, opinionated soap boxes!

Strange that the criticism comes so easily, compared to the shooting media, in what ever format, just what do YOU contribute to the present and future of our sport?

Even stranger that the greatest effort seems to be focused on pulling things down?

To all those reasonable hurrah, to the petty whingers Foxtrot Oscar!

Over and Out TC

I would much rather be known as a safe shot.

atb Tim

 

[Amhuinnsuidhe]

So if he always has an empty rifle when filming, how the hell did he manage to shoot that Roe? Bad angle for a shot too as said earlier. Must have been scraping the barrel for content this week!

 

[Tamus]

What a load of rubbish!

When you make comment make sure you have ALL the facts, as my good lady always says when you "assume" it make an Ass Out Of You And Me.

There is no one behind the camera, SW does it all by remote in his hand! The gun is NEVER loaded when he is filming.FACT!
So if you take away those Two FACTS have you got any other comments to make?

A Father’s Advice

If a sportsman true you’d be Listen carefully to me. . .

Never, never let your gun Pointed be at anyone. That it may unloaded be Matters not the least to me.
When a hedge or fence you cross Though of time it cause a loss From your gun the cartridge take For the greater safety’s sake.
If twixt you and neighbouring gun Bird shall fly or beast may run Let this maxim ere be thine“Follow not across the line.”
Stops and beaters oft unseen Lurk behind some leafy screen. Calm and steady always be“Never shoot where you can’t see.”
You may kill or you may miss But at all times think this:“All the pheasants ever bred Won’t repay for one man dead.”
Keep your place and silent be; Game can hear, and game can see; Don’t be greedy, better spared Is a pheasant, than one shared.

 

[sikamalc]

Lets not let this thread descend into an argument PLEASE!!

Personally I would agree with the above post, no gun should be pointed at anyone and all guns should be unloaded if climbing over any obstacle. That is one of the main points on a DSC 1 course for gun safety, is it not??

Irrespective of the above lets not start any name calling please.

 

[Taff]

O so true Tamus , but when making films bits get edited, and sometimes bits that should be in get left out due to time, anyone who has made a TV programme will know it takes hours for your five minutes of fame .
As to the angle the deer was shot at, O to have every deer stand perfect , and how many times do you want to watch someone load a gun, as educational as it may be for some of the armchair stalkers off here.
Just to put the record straight I have no connection to the show or the shooter

 

[Tamus]

O so true Tamus , but when making films bits get edited, and sometimes bits that should be in get left out due to time, anyone who has made a TV programme will know it takes hours for your five minutes of fame .
As to the angle the deer was shot at, O to have every deer stand perfect , and how many times do you want to watch someone load a gun, as educational as it may be for some of the armchair stalkers off here.
Just to put the record straight I have no connection to the show or the shooter

I know full well how much "acting" goes into making a "believable" sequence of edited video. I also know that his gun was not pointed at me... though I'm sure I noted myself instinctively leaning to the side as I watched.

My point would be, there are safe habits and practices and there are dodgy to down right dangerous ones. One would hope that in any portrayal of our sport, but especially one which is meant to be a fair and true portrayal, we would be treated to the exhibition of good practice only. No name calling or finger pointing intended or required, merely taking the chance to reinforce a fundamental.

As for the actual shot at the doe, I didn't have the shooter's point of view but from what I could tell it seemed perfectly feasible that the shot was entirely safe and practicable.

 

[moose]

Curious division over something that is within our sport, I have stalked enough to know most stalkers would have crossed that same obstacle without unloading, the issue of the muzzle sweeping past the camera has simply got the hard core clipboard toting, bra too tight brigade well and truly on their self gratifying, opinionated soap boxes!

If you emptied your rifle EVERY time you crossed a fence and waited for EVERY deer to stand perfectly broadside (the roe in question went down like a bag a hammers what more do you want??), you widnae shoot many deer!!!!

Moose

 

[bewsher500]

sorry that video has sod all to do with up, down sideways or whatever carrying style you use

it does have a lot to do with the ONLY thing of relevance

MUZZLE AWARENESS!!

Can you not read? "the gun is unloaded".

"Never, never let your gun
Pointed be at anyone.
That it may unloaded be
Matters not the least to me."