Thoughts on the new Sauer 505?

[gixer1]

They’ve essentially moved back to the 200/202 bolt - much better, but why could they not get rid of that de cocker (you can hear all the clicks in the vid as he operated it) and make it similar to the 202 silent safety….

Looks like a nice accurate rifle and I see they have taken popular areas from the 202, 404 and the Blaser…so should be a good selling thing.

 

[gixer1]

Think he’s got that scope high enough

It really affected the grouping though eh?

 

[triggertrix]

It really affected the grouping though eh?

Possibly not, shjite grouping with the copper though! I’d want to see evidence of better

I don’t use 14 1/4” stocks but 13 3/4 - how does that work? Any spacers for adding/removal ?

 

[gixer1]

Possibly not, shjite grouping with the copper though! I’d want to see evidence of better

I don’t use 14 1/4” stocks but 13 3/4 - how does that work? Any spacers for adding/removal ?

Everything seems to group sh*te with copper factory!

For the LoP - good question, I don’t think it’s adjustable other than the butt pads you can change for thickness.

 

[KimE]

Disappointing on a 3k/4k rifle

Get an extra mag to have in your pocket and some for other calibers, polymer is the right choice. Metal magasines were so difficult to produce so Britain made a chain to hold the Lee-Metford/enfields at its place.

 

[TheEngineer]

Get an extra mag to have in your pocket and some for other calibers, polymer is the right choice. Metal magasines were so difficult to produce so Britain made a chain to hold the Lee-Metford/enfields at its place.

I have a spare mag for my Tikka M65 that was made up for me by a gentleman in Finland in his shed. All steel housing, steel main spring, 3-D printed follower. Steel magazines are not difficult to produce.

Polymer ones are cheap to manufacture and you can sell more of them to the gun owners when the feed lips wear away. And then when you discontinue the rifle, the owner has to buy the newer model if they want manufacturer support for replacement parts. That is consumption driven throw-away society that we live in. Planned obsolescence in the name of profits.

 

[Andy Mauthe]

I have a spare mag for my Tikka M65 that was made up for me by a gentleman in Finland in his shed. All steel housing, steel main spring, 3-D printed follower. Steel magazines are not difficult to produce.

Polymer ones are cheap to manufacture and you can sell more of them to the gun owners when the feed lips wear away. And then when you discontinue the rifle, the owner has to buy the newer model if they want manufacturer support for replacement parts. That is consumption driven throw-away society that we live in. Planned obsolescence in the name of profits.

This is not a throwaway magazine and its feed lips won’t wear out. I’ve owned many firearms with steel magazines, but this Anschutz is made out of the thickest steel I’ve ever seen. I’m confident that I could drive over it with my truck and it would be none the worse for wear.

 

[Gallowaycountrysports]

i have the 404 xt in a 308 love it. will get my hands on the 505 at the shooting show

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

From a video I watched earlier they have reduced the adjustability of a few items so may actually be cheaper….

Ha Ha
Thats a good one

 

[PUSC]

Looking at this they have made the safety slightly easier (personally not bothered by the apparent stiffness, but know a few friends have commented on how hard to decock) and some other - what can only be called downgrades? The one-piece mount was fine, a bit more fiddly to line up first before you get the knack but the bolt head change etc. it seems so much "improved" but the features were already pretty amazing on the 404. Sad as I was hopeful

 

[Heym SR20]

Having a single stack magazine with the feed lips on the magazine makes the whole engineering and production of the rifle so much simpler and cheaper.

The action simple needs to run the bolt back and forth. No feed rails to be timed etc etc. and no need to make it feed from one side or the other as the case of double stack magazines.

A three round magazine is probably more than enough for most hunting situations. You can always load one in the chamber and load a 3 round magazine. And five round mags are available.

A single stack does make a nice slim rifle.

But I don’t like the narrow ejection port - makes it difficult to load from the top, and I am not a fan of detachable magazines. They are just too easy to loose.

As for polymer magazines - well I suppose they are everywhere. But will they still function in a few decades time??

 

[TheEngineer]

Having a single stack magazine with the feed lips on the magazine makes the whole engineering and production of the rifle so much simpler and cheaper.

The action simple needs to run the bolt back and forth. No feed rails to be timed etc etc. and no need to make it feed from one side or the other as the case of double stack magazines.

A three round magazine is probably more than enough for most hunting situations. You can always load one in the chamber and load a 3 round magazine. And five round mags are available.

A single stack does make a nice slim rifle.

But I don’t like the narrow ejection port - makes it difficult to load from the top, and I am not a fan of detachable magazines. They are just too easy to loose.

As for polymer magazines - well I suppose they are everywhere. But will they still function in a few decades time??

There are Mausers/ Enfield's and sporting rifles from the great war period still functioning today with their original parts.

Meanwhile, there are Steyr Mannlicher rifles from the 1980s that are effectively useless as their first gen plastic mags have become brittle and damaged from use and gradual polymer degradation when exposed to UV light and replacement mags are unobtainable.

In more recent years, Tikka have had to release a steel lipped magazine for their .223 T3 models because the lips are failing on the plastic mags.

Maybe plastic mags will get better, but they will never last as long as steel mags. They will break and degrade in a matter of years.

The arguments you hear on here in favour of plastic magazines are usually regarding weight and handling in cold weather. The weight issue is irrelevant, we're not carrying hundreds of rounds in loaded magazines into battle. In a loaded rifle, the weight difference between a steel mag and a plastic mag is imperceivable and as for the cold weather, who is carrying magazines in their hands for extended periods in sub zero temperatures?

It's all just excuses from people who don't like to think they've spent their hard earned on something that has been designed from the ground up to be disposable.

 

[Deutsch - Drahthaar]

The Ergolux looks great and the more I look the more I want. I have a few Blaser mounts with decent scopes on so they would interchange easily making the cost of purchasing a Sauer even more tempting - Does anyone know the price of a wood Ergolux yet?

 

[ColinBr]

The Ergolux looks great and the more I look the more I want. I have a few Blaser mounts with decent scopes on so they would interchange easily making the cost of purchasing a Sauer even more tempting - Does anyone know the price of a wood Ergolux yet?

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[bumpy22]

Had a look at the shooting show. Got to be honest was not impressed with bolt or safety catch and weight was noticeable. After how slick the bolt is on my 404 I was a bit disappointed.
Trigger was great though I must say.
Not obviously a review just a quick look at the show

 

[Sniper308]

I had a good look at it today. I must say, I was very impressed, I thought it was the nicest rifle at the show, bolt was very slick and light

 

[ColinBr]

I'm seriously considering 1.
Having shot the 202 and the 404 I've had a hankering since.

I'll need to find out the price on a synchro XT first before I delve any deeper.

 

[NullMac]

It's the Sauer adopting Blaser components not the other way round. The issue it can't avoid is the mount is on the action rather than the barrel.

 

[scotch_egg]

I had a good look at it today. I must say, I was very impressed, I thought it was the nicest rifle at the show, bolt was very slick and light

The bolts were heavily lubed on all the rifles bar AI. You wouldn’t want that thick line out in the field. It would be a dust and dirt trap.

I liked the 505 however it’s was very heavy and if you want to change between calibre groups say .223 and .308 it’s a whole bolt change and €700 plus the cost of the barrel and magazine.

I'm seriously considering 1.
Having shot the 202 and the 404 I've had a hankering since.

I'll need to find out the price on a synchro XT first before I delve any deeper.

The syncro XT carbon is £6500 and still weighs 3.3kg

 

[Andy Mauthe]

Honestly, as an owner of a 202 (which I’ll never part with) I think the 505 is essentially a 202 with a decocker instead of the safety that the 202 had, with a polymer magazine instead of the steel one the 202 had, with the Blaser mounting system, instead of the Remington 700 pattern the 202 had, and a skelotonized lower receiver to save weight. Changing caliber in the 505 requires the same thing as it did on the 202, and I don’t really see that as a bad thing. I’m glad they went back to a steel receiver on the 505 even though the receiver isn’t a stressed member. A hardened steel bolt sliding through an aluminum receiver never impressed me. I have no experience with any type of decocker so I can’t speak to that. I just know that the safety on the 202 is to me the most intuitive conventional safety I’ve ever used. But to each his own. If the 505’s shoot as well as my 202, and if they are going to offer it in full left hand, I would seriously consider one. It should on average be a little lighter than a comparable 202 due to the skeletonized lower receiver and I never was bothered by the weight of my 202. Sorry lots of words. Done for now