Trapped deer

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I see our new overlords, the electricity generator companies are following the Norman tradition and instituting deer parks for their pleasure

It was fairly obvious what would happen if you fenced off a few hundred acres of farmland. Since deer are not well known for observing boundary signs
 
Indeed. There’s not good reason why solar farms need have the fencing they have. Local authorities ought to have been preventing it at the planning stage.
 
I should think that the deer were quite happy in there until that women came along with her dogs and her camera and completely freaked them out!

Anyway, it shouldn't be beyond the wit of man (I hope) to fit some one-way deer gates into the perimeter fencing if need be.
 
Indeed. There’s not good reason why solar farms need have the fencing they have. Local authorities ought to have been preventing it at the planning stage.
I have seen a couple planning applications where the original proposals that went to the council made a big song and dance about public access. It looked like they were being partly sold on the idea that here was land previously locked away, and it would now be made available for the masses to frolick in.

Once they had the planning permission, things changed fast. As they often do.

I’m all for investing in green technology, but as an ecologist, absolutely nothing about solar farms in the UK makes sense to me. There’s absolutely no way the maths adds up if you do it properly.

Loss of productive agricultural land: means the food gets grown outside the UK, increasing transport emissions and quite possibly driving destruction of local habitats.

Embedded carbon in the components, construction and infrastructure.

Carbon emissions from end-of-life dismantling and processing.

Environmental degradation from all the mining and industrial processes associated with both of the above.

Biodiversity loss inside the solar farms, where evidence is already growing that they are largely dominated by low diversity ruderal weeds (docks, nettles, brambles, shade tolerant ferns).

Etc etc.

The whole thing is only enabled by perverse subsidies that mean the real costs are hidden and largely borne by the taxpayer.

My god - I start to sound like a grumpy right winger. You know it’s bad when…
 
I should think that the deer were quite happy in there until that women came along with her dogs and her camera and completely freaked them out!

Anyway, it shouldn't be beyond the wit of man (I hope) to fit some one-way deer gates into the perimeter fencing if need be.
Nor is it beyond the wit of man to have perimeter fencing removed from solar farms. Are the solar panels going to escape if not fenced?
 
I think part of the reason they get fenced is that there’s grant money available for fencing.

As with deer fencing for forestry, if you’re clever with the application and then cut corners with the installation, you make make a tidy profit.

Since there are no trees to be inspected for damage, it doesn’t matter how crappy the fence is.
 
Nor is it beyond the wit of man to have perimeter fencing removed from solar farms. Are the solar panels going to escape if not fenced?
I should think they're probably fairly prone to vandalism if not fenced.
Certainly if I had invested a lot of money in a solar installation I'd want a secure perimeter fence. But wildlife gates or tunnels definitely ought to be a compulsory thing. And not necessarily one way, either.
 
I should think they're probably fairly prone to vandalism if not fenced.
Tough sh1t. So is everyone else’s property.
Certainly if I had invested a lot of money in a solar installation I'd want a secure perimeter fence. But wildlife gates or tunnels definitely ought to be a compulsory thing. And not necessarily one way, either.
I am not a fan of “wildlife gate/corridors/tunnels’. In my view they’re largely spurious bull5h1t devised to dupe planners into accepting that something obviously bad for wildlife is good for it. All fencing less porous than a few strands of barbed wire is a serious impediment to the quality of habitat, and adding a few wildlife gates doesn’t essentially alter it.
 
Tough sh1t. So is everyone else’s property.
Sure, and most people have garden fences etc.
Perhaps you'd also like to recommend removing the perimeter fencing from airports, military installations, and places like that?
I am not a fan of “wildlife gate/corridors/tunnels’. In my view they’re largely spurious bull5h1t devised to dupe planners into accepting that something obviously bad for wildlife is good for it. All fencing less porous than a few strands of barbed wire is a serious impediment to the quality of habitat, and adding a few wildlife gates doesn’t essentially alter it.
On the contrary, I would suggest that where fencing is necessary for reasons other than wildlife exclusion then anything that could potentially allow free movement of wildlife is better than making no effort at all.
 
I should think they're probably fairly prone to vandalism if not fenced.
Certainly if I had invested a lot of money in a solar installation I'd want a secure perimeter fence. But wildlife gates or tunnels definitely ought to be a compulsory thing. And not necessarily one way, either.
And theft on a grand scale
 
Sure, and most people have garden fences etc.
...to delineate boundaries. Most people don't have fencing to keep vandals out.
Perhaps you'd also like to recommend removing the perimeter fencing from airports, military installations, and places like that?
That's somewhat topical given the recent news that some airbases are barely fenced at all. With respect, you're getting a little carried away if you can't detect a difference in security requirements between a solar panel at one end of the spectrum and a nuclear weapon at the other.
On the contrary, I would suggest that where fencing is necessary for reasons other than wildlife exclusion then anything that could potentially allow free movement of wildlife is better than making no effort at all.
You're not really on the contrary, because the issue is that fencing isn't necessary, and perhaps more to your point it isn't effective at excluding vandals. And that's leaving aside the issue that solar farms are neither necessary nor even desirable in the first place.
 
I suppose it depends where you live but a recent solar farm built on land where I walk my dogs was broken into and cable stolen before the panels was even installed and they have mobile cctv and security guards on site. A friend of mine went to the planning meeting for this solar farm and told them that this would happen.
 
I think part of the reason they get fenced is that there’s grant money available for fencing.

As with deer fencing for forestry, if you’re clever with the application and then cut corners with the installation, you make make a tidy profit.

Since there are no trees to be inspected for damage, it doesn’t matter how crappy the fence is.
Makes a complete and utter mockery of the whole system. You also get grants for shooting all the deer.
 
I should think they're probably fairly prone to vandalism if not fenced.
Certainly if I had invested a lot of money in a solar installation I'd want a secure perimeter fence. But wildlife gates or tunnels definitely ought to be a compulsory thing. And not necessarily one way, either.
More likely fear of people hurting or killing themselves on the power lines associated with such installations should they poke extremities where they shouldn't, and possibly like the railways, to prevent loss of copper cables from the invariably isolated sites by certain sections of the community............
 
@Apthorpe Phone lines aren't worth stealing, their copper content is tiny, powerlines are tricky, they do get stolen but people die doing it. Copper and the panels themselves would be the target on a solar farms. All easily accessible at ground level and virtually zero danger at night.
 
I can't help suspecting these certain sections of the community who go around stealing cables might possess wire cutters.

Stealing stuff from solar installations is deplorably dishonest. On the other hand, describing some of the largest industrial installations in the country as "farms"; claiming that they "power X thousand homes" when they don't; forcibly extracting money from the public for them and charging for the product on the basis of the cost of materials which it doesn't use .........

(I think this digression has digressed too far now)
 
Back to the thread. I watched that video x 3 is the rear one a buck if so possibly rutting behaviour but fence got in the way. It looks like they exited the enclosure at the end.
Fences there to keep trespassers and thieves out. Local copper gathers are watching the site being constructed near me. Has guards with big dogs 24x7.
In most cases fences allow wildlife to ingress/egress but keep sheep and other livestock in or out.
I might have to shoot a couple of roe bucks soon before they get locked into a newly constructed site.
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