Trump Wins - One American's Perspective

I suppose I find it sad that out of 300 million people in the USA - these are the best that came to the fore...... I'm not saying our lot are any better (think Farage and Corbin:doh:), but it's a shame that we can't produce politicians who have charisma, leadership, common sense and can stand for election knowing there won't be any skeletons in the cupboard. Maybe I understand why honest people avoid politics as I get older.....

Perhaps on both sides of the Atlantic the blue collar workers are getting sick and tired of superior middle class white collar types telling them what is and is not in their best interests!
 
Perhaps on both sides of the Atlantic the blue collar workers are getting sick and tired of superior middle class white collar types telling them what is and is not in their best interests!

Majority of voters earning less than $50,000 (blue collar) voted Clinton - Majority of voters earning greater than $50,000 (white collar) voted Trump
 
I am amazed at the continued sniping at Trump for his bum grabbing conversation as if it matters. If these things mattered that much then why has nobody called for that nice Mr Attenborough to be prosecuted for inciting murder? Answer? Because neither of them meant it in any serious vein. If you can't figure that out then you need an appropriate adult to translate the media for you.
 
Majority of voters earning less than $50,000 (blue collar) voted Clinton - Majority of voters earning greater than $50,000 (white collar) voted Trump

That implies that only people in employment voted. I suspect that the majority of people on welfare voted Clinton in the hope of getting a raise.
 
Majority of voters earning less than $50,000 (blue collar) voted Clinton - Majority of voters earning greater than $50,000 (white collar) voted Trump
... some more stats coming in, which dispel the myths put out by Big Hillary Media:

Trump took 57% of the white woman vote
Trump took 44% of women's vote
Trump took 82% of white men's vote
Trump took more black and Latino votes than Romney.
Trump garnered more votes than any American in history.
Trump took 88% of the Republican Party vote. McCain and Romney took about 90%.
Trump got larger overall percentages in many states than Obama did.
Trump took 82% of the Protestant vote and a lot of Catholics.

These are all preliminary, and may adjust a few points up and down when final, but the point is that the numbers in all these categories are far higher than predicted ( hoped for ) by the crooked media.

Wikileaks emails of her campaign manager and the Democratic Party officials, and lawsuits forcing the State Department to release Hillary's emails exposed the fact that 96% of the media were donating to Clinton, and 65 were exposed as colluding with Hillary and her staff on news stories about her and her opponents, and giving her questions in advance to interviews, public Q&A forums, and debates.

We had smelled all this for a long time, but now we could see the steaming pile.
 
Majority of voters earning less than $50,000 (blue collar) voted Clinton - Majority of voters earning greater than $50,000 (white collar) voted Trump
No. The under $50K earners were the 41% of US citizens who just collect from the government and paid no taxes. She promised them more free stuff. The working stiffs, the true "blue collar" workers voted Trump.~Muir
 
Three cheers for the Trumpet,Hail The Chief!

I have yet to meet a person in Australia that likes HC or what she stands for and for what she has done.

Go the Duck!
 
Btw anybody that has been in a hunting camp in the Aussie bush sitting around the fire would know plenty about pussy grabbing and such talk and thats what it is ..talk.
As if any bloke would be offended or changed their vote because of a few throwaway lines,come on!

Now that reminds me of this beautifully arsed sheila that walked past my tree stand one arvo...............................
 
Trump will make a good POTUS and Farage would make a good Prime Minister they are both realists and say it how it is.Pinko lefty liberals would not be happy though
 
No Farage would be good as the US Ambassador to the EU (he should ask his buddy for the job)
Trump will make a good POTUS and Farage would make a good Prime Minister they are both realists and say it how it is.Pinko lefty liberals would not be happy though
 
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Majority of voters earning less than $50,000 (blue collar) voted Clinton - Majority of voters earning greater than $50,000 (white collar) voted Trump

...according to a single exit poll. A poll of similar accuracy to .........

People have been making the same essentially unfounded comments about Brexit voters ever since based on one single piece of evidence of a type which we already know is deeply flawed on the topics in question. A lot of people faced by a pollster either avoid them or tell them to mind their own business.

Does anyone else find that celebrity Democrat endorsements from people like Springsteen increasingly deluded? He made his fortune singing about people who are today strong Trump supporters, yet he campaigns as if he is totally out of touch with that world.
 
I had a quick chat with an American this morning about the whole situation, and she was really happy that Trump got in. Yes, he's a sexist, yes some of the things he says are disgusting - but the hate for Clinton was palpable (for those that haven't seen the joke elsewhere on this forum about Clinton and Trump going into a bar and her trotting out the scandals she's been involved in, it's worth a look. It explains a lot, and assuming that even half of it is true, it shows that she's a thoroughly unpleasant individual).
One thing I didn't know about was the cost of "Obama Care". I was told that her health insurance had gone up from $400/month to $2000/month. What?! $24,000/year for healthcare? I can never get my head around the American health care system, but despite my lack of understanding I can still understand why folk dislike a five-fold increase in their health provision bill.
I don't really think that Trump won this election, Hillary lost it by galvanizing a massive vote against her. People that followed the saga surrounding the Trump golf course in Aberdeenshire will know that he's a nasty piece of work, but maybe he is the lesser of two evils. As for Hillary, I hope I never have to hear her whining voice again.
Finally, I do wish that those political leaders around the world who have stated their dislike of Trump would just keep their mouths shut. Up here in Scotland we have Sturgeon, Dugdale, Davidson and Harvie (SNP, Labour, Conservative and Green) all saying (to paraphrase) "Well done, Donald, we wish you well but it's not the result we wanted and we still dislike you". It's none of their business!
 
...according to a single exit poll. A poll of similar accuracy to .........

People have been making the same essentially unfounded comments about Brexit voters ever since based on one single piece of evidence of a type which we already know is deeply flawed on the topics in question. A lot of people faced by a pollster either avoid them or tell them to mind their own business.

Does anyone else find that celebrity Democrat endorsements from people like Springsteen increasingly deluded? He made his fortune singing about people who are today strong Trump supporters, yet he campaigns as if he is totally out of touch with that world.

I noticed that myself . To be honest , I think the celebrity endorsements did more harm than good for the democrats .

AB
 
Trump Won Last Night and I thought I would provide some perspective from someone that took part.

Firstly - the USA is a Center Right Nation and the voting showed that last night. We are not Alt-Right or Hard Right, but we are clearly Right of Center. None of the Center Left or Left leaning changes that have occurred over the past 6 years were democratically enacted. Those changes were either Executive Orders, Judicially Directed, or enacted during the first 2 years of Obama when the Democratic/Left controlled both houses of Congress.

Secondly - The election numbers are coming in but this appears to be an all time record of votes. Higher than even Obama's first election. This is most likely due to the "Silent Majority" of people that became so disaffected by a non-responsive Govt that they dropped out of voting - but returned this time to vote for an outsider

Thirdly - the Cabal of Main Stream Media, Pollsters, and Election Planners is not dead - but they are severely wounded. They have shown that the groups that they supposedly market to or control (maybe one and the same) are no longer under their thumb. They have lost their power to sway or push/predict - which dramatically decreases their value.

Fourth - The Republican party survived but barely. An outsider that they did not want, and did not support, took the reigns and rode to victory. He did so by bringing in previously untapped voters (either new votes or dormant votes). If they attempt to continue business in the same old way, they will fall. I expect many are already falling (probably looking to retire in the next 2-4 years).

Fifth - No one likes a cheat, especially a corrupt cheat. Except for partisans that will vote their party regardless, Hillary was viewed as a corrupt lying cheat (or some combination of those three words) and was rebuked.

Sixth - Just like Brexit for you all, currently the DOW and the Dollar are dropping but will almost certainly be far less painful than all the doomsayers forecast.

Seventh - our Supreme court will remain Center Right Balanced with a respect for the Constitution. Attempts to move it to Center Left have been halted.

Eight - This was also a repudiation of 8 years of Obama. He promised change, which we got, but did not deliver prosperity. When the economy was #1 he enacted a slew of social leftwing proposals/events. He was always more hype than substance (for example - A Nobel Peace prize for Taking Office - not for doing anything, but basically for being "Not Bush") and the people have repudiated him. He spent the last week or two rallying the faithful and putting out more for Hillary than any other previous president (he crossed a lot of lines that most presidents had not crossed in lobbying for a successor).

Ninth - The people also spoke by leaving the Senate (our Upper House) in the hands of the Republicans. Even if Hillary had been elected, this would have severely limited her power. According to the Media this was the going to be the year the Senate returned to the Democrats because they had so many fewer seats to defend.

Lastly - In case you want to know - Yes I did vote for Trump, very very reluctantly. He is very much an imperfect man and we will probably have some diplomatic gaffes of epic proportions, but at the end of the day he was the lesser of two evils.


I cast my vote, as well, only, for the other side. All I can, and will say, is those who were registered to vote, and didn't, have no right to say anything about what any of the politicians say or do for the next two years. As for me, the Republicans now have the lead of the USA; let's see what they can/will do with it. They didn't want to help Obama, when he tried to do something, now they only have themselves to point their fingers at.

I, totally, agree with the part of "voting for the lesser of two evils". I know a country as large as the United States of America could have found two better candidates, more qualified, civil, respectable, that were not carrying a lot of 'excess baggage'.

Just think, congressional elections in just two years. :popcorn:
 
Trump Won Last Night and I thought I would provide some perspective from someone that took part.

Firstly - the USA is a Center Right Nation and the voting showed that last night. We are not Alt-Right or Hard Right, but we are clearly Right of Center. None of the Center Left or Left leaning changes that have occurred over the past 6 years were democratically enacted. Those changes were either Executive Orders, Judicially Directed, or enacted during the first 2 years of Obama when the Democratic/Left controlled both houses of Congress.

Secondly - The election numbers are coming in but this appears to be an all time record of votes. Higher than even Obama's first election. This is most likely due to the "Silent Majority" of people that became so disaffected by a non-responsive Govt that they dropped out of voting - but returned this time to vote for an outsider

Thirdly - the Cabal of Main Stream Media, Pollsters, and Election Planners is not dead - but they are severely wounded. They have shown that the groups that they supposedly market to or control (maybe one and the same) are no longer under their thumb. They have lost their power to sway or push/predict - which dramatically decreases their value.

Fourth - The Republican party survived but barely. An outsider that they did not want, and did not support, took the reigns and rode to victory. He did so by bringing in previously untapped voters (either new votes or dormant votes). If they attempt to continue business in the same old way, they will fall. I expect many are already falling (probably looking to retire in the next 2-4 years).

Fifth - No one likes a cheat, especially a corrupt cheat. Except for partisans that will vote their party regardless, Hillary was viewed as a corrupt lying cheat (or some combination of those three words) and was rebuked.

Sixth - Just like Brexit for you all, currently the DOW and the Dollar are dropping but will almost certainly be far less painful than all the doomsayers forecast.

Seventh - our Supreme court will remain Center Right Balanced with a respect for the Constitution. Attempts to move it to Center Left have been halted.

Eight - This was also a repudiation of 8 years of Obama. He promised change, which we got, but did not deliver prosperity. When the economy was #1 he enacted a slew of social leftwing proposals/events. He was always more hype than substance (for example - A Nobel Peace prize for Taking Office - not for doing anything, but basically for being "Not Bush") and the people have repudiated him. He spent the last week or two rallying the faithful and putting out more for Hillary than any other previous president (he crossed a lot of lines that most presidents had not crossed in lobbying for a successor).

Ninth - The people also spoke by leaving the Senate (our Upper House) in the hands of the Republicans. Even if Hillary had been elected, this would have severely limited her power. According to the Media this was the going to be the year the Senate returned to the Democrats because they had so many fewer seats to defend.

Lastly - In case you want to know - Yes I did vote for Trump, very very reluctantly. He is very much an imperfect man and we will probably have some diplomatic gaffes of epic proportions, but at the end of the day he was the lesser of two evils.
As someone whow study's America history and politics on a amateur level ( a general interest) I have been following the USA elections I think the only mainstream media that was fair was Fox News ,the rest was absolutely disgusting and CNN was like a propaganda machine for Clinton,yet no different from the BBC over here , trump not perfect but he is a man of business , making money trading which I think personally American needs and U.K. Needs . Putting people in work and not for a pitiful amount, the more money people have the more they will spend ,I think after brexit the greedy global elite have taken a even bigger kicking with trump being voted president , America,U.K. etc need change and change for the good of the people ,and not for the fascist global elite well done for voting trump ,yet not perfect then again who the hell is this my opinion of course atvb steve ps I think congressman trey gowdy would make a great president
 
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So Clinton is corrupt, while Trump, who uses his foundation to further his own interests, doesn't pay income tax because he is 'smart', boasts about groping women, defrauded students at Trump university, and is facing 11 accusations of sexual assault isn't? The Clinton foundation actually is a charity that does some seriously good work, if she were male her 'sins' would have been forgiven. Trump has done and said worse, yet was trusted more. It stinks.
 
Trump may be a man of business but when you are given enough money to buy Manhattan it us hard not to make money. He still managed to fail numerous times and has a track record of screwing over the little guys. His business acumen is overstated and the idea that this qualifies him to lead the economy, let alone deal with difficult foreign policy issues like an increasingly assertive Russia, beggars belief.
 
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