Walking in to a hotel with visible firearm - acceptable?

[chriswjx]

I saw a piece in a content creators channel about a game keeper who had an uncovered weapon in their vehicle when visiting a supermarket

A fellow shopper noticed the weapon and called the cops

The gamekeeper lost their weapons and had a lengthy legal battle to get them back

A sobering reminder that whilst carrying weapons openly may be normal for some in some areas

It isn’t normal elsewhere

Personally I’d keep anything in a bag or at the very least a purpose built action - scope and mod cover I have

Walking into a hotel with a rifle on your shoulder just makes you look a knob who doesn’t care what others may think

Is that not because as you say, it was uncovered and very distinctly unsecured + unattended? And no attempts to make it any more secure (removing bolt/forend, or attached to the chassis of the vehicle etc) were made?

Which would then put him in breech of what Tulloch shared?

Firearms Legislation in Scotland: What You Need to Know

Everything you need to know about firearms legislation in Scotland: licensing requirements, restrictions, and consequences.

pattersonand.co.uk

Also loads on BASC

 

[Camdig]

If it's a group of four and only one uncovered rifle am going to suggest the guests slip is lying on the hill exactly where he shot his stag, by the time he realised it was too late, a genuine mistake and no one was harmed.

 

[Ronin]

Is that not because as you say, it was uncovered and very distinctly unsecured + unattended? And no attempts to make it any more secure (removing bolt/forend, or attached to the chassis of the vehicle etc) were made?

Which would then put him in breech of what Tulloch shared?

I imagine so

It’s one thing travelling round the ground you manage with an uncovered firearm - quite another where the general public may see it

Not everyone is used to seeing firearms on open display.

 

[Heym SR20]

It is perfectly legal to be carrying a firearm in a public place in Scotland. There are no laws against it. It doesn’t need to be covered etc.

Most however do put a gun into a slip, but once out in the country especially at places like stalking hotels and lodges guns will be carried more openly. It is perfectly fine and usual to walk down a country road with a shotgun over the crook of an arm when walking from one side of a shoot to another.

 

[Klenchblaize]

How dare you say such a thing, Sir?
I am offended and formally challenge you to a duel at daybreak tomorrow.....
Choose your weapon.....
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Only if they are in quarter bore.

K

 

[John Gryphon]

And you call yourself a photographer

No not at all, just a perve.

 

[MarinePMI]

 

[VSS]

This whole business of firearms in public places is a bit like public nudity:
Contrary to popular belief, it is perfectly legal to be naked in public anywhere in the UK, not just in designated naturist areas. Most people are unaware of this, and upon seeing a naked person in the highstreet or somewhere, are quite likely to start shouting "indecent exposure" and try to get the poor person arrested. However, no offence is committed unless the behaviour of the naked person is deliberately offensive or sexually implicit.
Naturists are, like firearms users, a minority group, and the right for them to express their behaviour is enshrined in law. Trouble is, like firearms users, a lot of naturists aren't fully aware of what they legally can or can't do in public, with the result that they have become secretive, which leads to further misunderstanding on the part of the general public.
So, in summary, if more firearms users (and naturists) were to behave in the way that the law allows them to, then their activities would become normalised, and therefore more acceptable to the general public.

 

[Stalker62]

However, no offence is committed unless the behaviour of the naked person is deliberately offensive or sexually implicit.

Not true.


The 'offences' of public nudity can be (simply) split into two.

1) Being naked in public can be an offence, if it causes harassment, alarm, or distress to another person.

2) Intentionally exposing yourself to cause sexual pleasure, or fear is a criminal offence.



Either way, you are likely to be having a conversation with the Custody Sergeant about your 'dress sense'...


Good effort on conflating the two issues though...

 

[VSS]

Not true.


The 'offences' of public nudity can be (simply) split into two.

1) Being naked in public can be an offence, if it causes harassment, alarm, or distress to another person.

2) Intentionally exposing yourself to cause sexual pleasure, or fear is a criminal offence.



Either way, you are likely to be having a conversation with the Custody Sergeant about your 'dress sense'...


Good effort on conflating the two issues though...

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I think we're both saying the same thing, only with different words.
Either way, it is very similar to the way the rules around firearms in public can be interpreted (or misinterpreted).

For your information, here's the actual legal guidance:

https://library.college.police.uk/docs/college-of-policing/C849IO118-public-nudity-aid-revised.pdf

 

[Stalker62]

I think we're both saying the same thing, only with different words.

No we are not. The law (and the therefore the words) are very specific.

Perhaps have a read of the legislation yourself?

 

[weblyish]

This whole business of firearms in public places is a bit like public nudity:
Contrary to popular belief, it is perfectly legal to be naked in public anywhere in the UK, not just in designated naturist areas. Most people are unaware of this, and upon seeing a naked person in the highstreet or somewhere, are quite likely to start shouting "indecent exposure" and try to get the poor person arrested. However, no offence is committed unless the behaviour of the naked person is deliberately offensive or sexually implicit.
Naturists are, like firearms users, a minority group, and the right for them to express their behaviour is enshrined in law. Trouble is, like firearms users, a lot of naturists aren't fully aware of what they legally can or can't do in public, with the result that they have become secretive, which leads to further misunderstanding on the part of the general public.
So, in summary, if more firearms users (and naturists) were to behave in the way that the law allows them to, then their activities would become normalised, and therefore more acceptable to the general public.

Hell of a way to come out as a naturist, Tim, but I suggest you keep the apron on while butchering lest you chop the wrong sausage roll

 

[VSS]

Hell of a way to come out as a naturist, Tim, but I suggest you keep the apron on while butchering lest you chop the wrong sausage roll

My grandfather owned a nudist camp, so I kind of grew up with it really.

 

[John Gryphon]

So, in summary, if more firearms users (and naturists) were to behave in the way that the law allows them to, then their activities would become normalised, and therefore more acceptable to the general public.

A huge problem is that many of "us" pander to the general public in the way "we" go about our lawful business.

Interestingly re the public nudity I read the following line in the link you provided.

Additionally,in recent years attempted prosecutions of naturists have all failed

 

[kenbro]

After an 18 K seven hour walk one will arrive at the Welcome Flat Hut on NZ`s south island in among the mountains and glaciers.
It is a 30 odd "bed" dormitory hut and is used as a stop off point for Tahr and Chamois hunters besides the hot pool trekkers. We camped over and moved further up valley to the Douglas Rock Hut a few hours walk upstream. It s a very famous walk and at times with a 30KG pack plus rifle it had its moments.
Of a full house only three of us had rifles and the rules are "no rifles inside" So they are hung by slings on hooks outside the front entrance with bolts removed. Not one **** even mentioned the fact that there were firearms in house. I neglected to take a pic of my old 7mm mag hanging up.
No one took offence,not even one snide or sarcastic remark was made and we as oft viewed throat cutting,cold blooded murdering, weapon toting bastards were just another lot enjoying the mountains. I fondly remember the six naked US Uni geology students at the hot springs but that`s another tale lol.

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Were they boys?

 

[User00056]

1) Being naked in public can be an offence, if it causes harassment, alarm, or distress to another person.

I'm almost certain the mere sight of me naked in public would automatically satisfy the 'alarm and distress' aspect

 

[John Gryphon]

Were they boys?

if they were then they had some awesome snatches.

 

[Klenchblaize]

So, this thread has now morphed into "Walking Into a Hotel With Visible P**** - Acceptable?"

K

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[VSS]

So, this thread has now morphed into "Walking Into a Hotel With Visible P**** - Acceptable?"

K

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The answer to which is basically the same as the answer to the original question.

 

[John Gryphon]

No complaints when 65 Pom sheilas dropped their gear and hopped onto the levva saddles......what a day for poons eh.