I once had to purchase a 22RF on my ticket and asked if I could buy a 22mag with it and was told no, and when I said that the 22mag is a RF they said that if I did buy one they would pull my ticket
What is a .22?
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Uncle Norm
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Its never a good idea to apply for a .22CF authority. Some people do it for the apparent flexibility that it may offer but it invariable leads to problems when instead of acquiring a .22Hornet, the holder acquires a .220 Swift, or one of the many shades of grey in-between.
It also leads to problems with ammunition acquisition.
Licensing units should issue cartridge specific authorities, not calibre specific ones. As Ed Bewsher said......classic cock-up.
Advice to OP. Return your FAC for amendment before they serve a compulsory notice on you to do so. Get over it, enjoy your shooting. Definitely not worth a fight.
It also leads to problems with ammunition acquisition.
Licensing units should issue cartridge specific authorities, not calibre specific ones. As Ed Bewsher said......classic cock-up.
Advice to OP. Return your FAC for amendment before they serve a compulsory notice on you to do so. Get over it, enjoy your shooting. Definitely not worth a fight.
it's a lack of in depth knowledge of firearms in the police firearms dept.
In the past I been told to just use the ammo that I have for the 6.5-284 for my 6.5x47. I explained they were not compatible but they would not listen and would not list 6.5x47 ammo. This was not a big problem because I reload but it did mean I would not be able to by factory ammo. Five years on at renewal time they asked what bullets I had for each firearm, listing them individually and said we presume you have non for your 6.5x47. I explained i did have some and hoped i had not committed an offence. Again i explained the 2 6.5's are not compatible and now they have listed a quota for each
I have a FAC rated air rifle and asked for authorisation to by another one. I got a phone call to say I should have filled in a separate form for the air rifles and apply for the airgun certificate. I said not when they are both over 12ftlb, they need to be on a FAC. The reply was "Oh, I will check up on that"
Another time at renewal, I said for reason for firearms was vermin/deer control and target PRACTISE. I got a phone call to say I was not allowed to shoot targets. She said I was allowed to zero the rifle but not allowed to shoot targets. When I asked what would I shoot at to zero it then. She said a tree or a sheep or something like that. I said surely that would kill it. She coughed and spluttered a bit when she realised what she had said She just seemed to be determined that I should not shoot at paper. I questioned her knowledge on the topic and she assured me she had been target shooting before and she shot at paper. I asked to speak to her supervisor and thankfully he said just shoot at paper but call it zeroing. This confusion occurred I think because target shooting is a discipline in itself which is different to target practise.
In the past I been told to just use the ammo that I have for the 6.5-284 for my 6.5x47. I explained they were not compatible but they would not listen and would not list 6.5x47 ammo. This was not a big problem because I reload but it did mean I would not be able to by factory ammo. Five years on at renewal time they asked what bullets I had for each firearm, listing them individually and said we presume you have non for your 6.5x47. I explained i did have some and hoped i had not committed an offence. Again i explained the 2 6.5's are not compatible and now they have listed a quota for each
I have a FAC rated air rifle and asked for authorisation to by another one. I got a phone call to say I should have filled in a separate form for the air rifles and apply for the airgun certificate. I said not when they are both over 12ftlb, they need to be on a FAC. The reply was "Oh, I will check up on that"
Another time at renewal, I said for reason for firearms was vermin/deer control and target PRACTISE. I got a phone call to say I was not allowed to shoot targets. She said I was allowed to zero the rifle but not allowed to shoot targets. When I asked what would I shoot at to zero it then. She said a tree or a sheep or something like that. I said surely that would kill it. She coughed and spluttered a bit when she realised what she had said She just seemed to be determined that I should not shoot at paper. I questioned her knowledge on the topic and she assured me she had been target shooting before and she shot at paper. I asked to speak to her supervisor and thankfully he said just shoot at paper but call it zeroing. This confusion occurred I think because target shooting is a discipline in itself which is different to target practise.
Some people just cannot resist making stuff up in licensing offices.
When I put in for mine, the application form said 'calibre' so I put .30 as a wanted either a .308 or a 30-06I have applied for both 30 cal and 17 cal and had both returned on my ticket stating just that, so in reality i have been able to buy anything in either caliber. My only regret was not buying a 300 RUM
It did need a little educating and explaining to the FEO.
Thames valley came back and said they would only grant 308 on first application. Which was ok with me to start with
hybridfiat
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We don't have 'slots' on our liceses here in WA but they have taken to just listing the caliber.
So I now have a .35 instead of a .35 Win or .35 Whelen or .351Win.
Nice one mister license man, that means carte blanche on my choice of cartridge
So I now have a .35 instead of a .35 Win or .35 Whelen or .351Win.
Nice one mister license man, that means carte blanche on my choice of cartridge
gonzo
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I have had the same arguments with various FLDs in the past. Explaining the calibre-chambering issue. As the forms the issue state calibre. So that is what I will request.
Basically most of them don't understand firearms. So want you to ask for a thing called X, and you buy a thing that is listed on the RFDs books, as a matching X.
I have seen fun and games with 7.62 vs 308. Even recently a club member getting threatened over transfering a .577 on a variation for a 58cal rifle. (More laughable, as it is an obsolete cal antique anyway).
Recently, I needed to get a variation for a pair of rifled barrels to go with a shotgin action. But I already hold the shotgun on a sect2 licence. So the gun stays on the SGC but the barrels need to go on the FAC....
Had to explain many times, but they still just couldn't get it. Was told to just ask what the dealer had it listed as, and ask for matching description.
When I explained I was not buying them, but making them myself. That really had them lost.
The BASC firearms guys were excellent, when I asked them for help on this.
Basically most of them don't understand firearms. So want you to ask for a thing called X, and you buy a thing that is listed on the RFDs books, as a matching X.
I have seen fun and games with 7.62 vs 308. Even recently a club member getting threatened over transfering a .577 on a variation for a 58cal rifle. (More laughable, as it is an obsolete cal antique anyway).
Recently, I needed to get a variation for a pair of rifled barrels to go with a shotgin action. But I already hold the shotgun on a sect2 licence. So the gun stays on the SGC but the barrels need to go on the FAC....
Had to explain many times, but they still just couldn't get it. Was told to just ask what the dealer had it listed as, and ask for matching description.
When I explained I was not buying them, but making them myself. That really had them lost.
The BASC firearms guys were excellent, when I asked them for help on this.
Stalker62
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I do not seek to excuse the staffing (often minimal) of FLDs. Nor (as if often the case) their lack of training.
However, we are where we are. I have found that communication is everything and I am quite happy to spend time explaining what it is I want and why it is I need what it is I ask for.
Having dealt with two different Constabulary areas this has (for me) paid dividends.
By way of example; I was looking for a Black Powder Rifle (I know, I know!) and was unsure whether to go for 45-70, 45-90 or (hold the front door) 45-110.
The ticket came back with a rifle in .45 calibre. Common sense wins out.
PS
I bottled it and went for 45-70.
PPS
In relation to lack of training. Once had a young girl at Luton Airport try and look down the muzzle of my rife to check it was unloaded before it was allowed through. Again - not her fault.
However, we are where we are. I have found that communication is everything and I am quite happy to spend time explaining what it is I want and why it is I need what it is I ask for.
Having dealt with two different Constabulary areas this has (for me) paid dividends.
By way of example; I was looking for a Black Powder Rifle (I know, I know!) and was unsure whether to go for 45-70, 45-90 or (hold the front door) 45-110.
The ticket came back with a rifle in .45 calibre. Common sense wins out.
PS
I bottled it and went for 45-70.
PPS
In relation to lack of training. Once had a young girl at Luton Airport try and look down the muzzle of my rife to check it was unloaded before it was allowed through. Again - not her fault.
EMcC
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When I was reloading quite a bit and pretty fit and active I had an amount of 1000 .30 bullets listed on my FC for several years.
That allowed me to reload for my .308 and my 30-06.
When it came up for renewal not so long ago new staff would not allow that many so changed it to allow 400 x .308 and 400 x 30-06 !
Not a great difference but it just went to show the new staff didn't really understand much about calibres.
That allowed me to reload for my .308 and my 30-06.
When it came up for renewal not so long ago new staff would not allow that many so changed it to allow 400 x .308 and 400 x 30-06 !
Not a great difference but it just went to show the new staff didn't really understand much about calibres.
8x57
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Ammunition Yes but bullets No.
You say renewed not so long ago so can't understand why they are listing bullets, no need to.
Ammunition Yes but bullets No.
Would I expect a driving examiner to have some knowledge if they were to examine my driving standard?, Should I expect FL staff to argue the toss with me, wether a 45/70 was a legal and deer capable rifle?
EMcC
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That explains why they now are listed by Calibre because previously they were just missiles.
That's got to be the best yet. And still you have to justify yourself to her!
On one of my renewals I walked a FEO around the ground to show her what it was like. She wanted to clear it to .308, but I already had a .338 which they'd given me without checking. So she said she'd clear it for that. Then she proceeded to ask what I thought about her clearing a 9.3x74R for the chap she was visiting next! Without meeting him or seeing his land, how the hell should I know?!
8x57
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When I first applied for a 9.3mm because I wanted to buy a side by side rifle the FEO who was dealing with my application asked what the actual cartridge would be. I replied a 9.3x74r, "Oh that's O.K. then" he replied "we wouldn't want to issue authority for something as powerful as a 9.3x62". A real nice chap and very helpful but his knowledge of rifle calibres extended to the contents of the Norma catalogue which he used as a reference book.
JabaliHunter
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I expect that has something to do with the descriptions for each written in Cartridges of the World - one is probably described as being suitable for elephant and the other as popular for wild boar, or something along those lines.
I had a 22 slot and intiitally purchased a 223, when that was sold I got a 222. The law says calibre, and other than C/F or R/F whats the difference. If we want to make work a 22 C/F might be 0.223 or 0.224 if a hornet?
I once had a 308 Ruger rifle, an entry for both 308 winchester and 7.62 ammo on my purcahses, no problems.
I once had a 308 Ruger rifle, an entry for both 308 winchester and 7.62 ammo on my purcahses, no problems.
There are some force areas that will only look to employ firearms staff that do not have firearms/shotgun certificates. The result is that the majority of those applying not only have little prior knowledge of such things but little interest. So these things will inevitably happen. Ask some which is the bigger calibre between a .223 and a 5.56 and see.
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