deerly departed
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A caution is not Good !!! You should never agree to a caution. Always seek legal advice.
Where is it not legal to carry a folding knife ?
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A caution is not Good !!! You should never agree to a caution. Always seek legal advice.
I have recently been detained by the police after leaving a nightclub, getting the keys out of my pocket which has a Swiss Army knife attached to them which they then saw. They took my details, kept my knife as evidence and will contact me with details on how to get it back which may take weeks. The nightclub had searched me before entering and decided the knife was okay to bring into the club however after leaving to go home I had it confiscated by the police. The blade is well under 3 inches so it seems it is not always legal to carry, I was let off with a warning and not charged.
The law on knives and offensive weapons is a total mishmash. Whenever the media highlight the knife problem, or knife crime seems to be getting out of control, the government introduce another bit of legislation to make carrying a knife in public illegal, despite the fact that it is already so. (I'm generalising of course, there are circumstances where it isn't illegal). The result is that by having that knife with you, you likely commit numerous offences under legislation dating back to the last century and probably before. The latest law is The Offensive Weapons Act 2019.
So, is it any wonder that people really don't know when and where someone can carry a knife legally and often that can include those tasked with enforcing the law. The only people who benefit are the legal profession. Which, strangely make up a good deal of the law makers in Parliament.
So, is it any wonder that people really don't know when and where someone can carry a knife legally and often that can include those tasked with enforcing the law. The only people who benefit are the legal profession. Which, strangely make up a good deal of the law makers in Parliament.
This is completely out of control and proves that the Police cannot judge a situation in relation to a law but ALWAYS try to implement the letter of the law, even if it is their own 'letter'. Story follows -
As a youngster there was a motorcycle cop who came into the pub my parents owned for a coffee and a sitdown on a comfy chair when he was patrolling a particular stretch of road.
He saw me at home one day with my shotgun, going out on the local heath for a shoot (I had permission) he said if you cross the road with that I will nick you. He was very upset when I told him he couldnt provided it was unloaded 50 feet from the highway and reloaded further than 50 feet once across. I also said since you know I am going shooting to protect crops on the other side, you know I have a good reason for doing so. My Dad made sure we knew the law - no friends in the police, as it should be but it helps if they know the law. I was sixteen at the time - I still remember his name - Gerry B - over 50 years ago now. I returned with a partridge and a snipe.
Gone sadly are the days when the police generally could be relied upon to implement fairly the law they knew. Just the odd one these days. If you know the law (and we should) then accept nothing but that - someone interpreting the law wrongly is breaking it and, in my view, thus committing an offence. A large ego is not a mitigating factor.
reloader54
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especially if everyone else has a machete or katana.
reloader54
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this on the other hand seems perfectly acceptable,,
apparently he walked initially, but later after much public disgust was retried and got 3 years I believe, [so in reality 18 months] probably works as a city banker now or top class lawyer.
apparently he walked initially, but later after much public disgust was retried and got 3 years I believe, [so in reality 18 months] probably works as a city banker now or top class lawyer.
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especially if everyone else has a machete or katana.
On a regular basis I carry a sword and a miniature sword. I have a good reason but wonder how I stand. Interesting that my friends the Sikhs carry a knife as it is part of their religious beliefs.
I think that I will claim "religious beliefs" if ever I'm pulled up over the Buck 110 that I always carry. That seems to be the way to get away with things these days.
reloader54
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well common sense prevailing you should be ok.
Dan Newcombe
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The good reason would only extend to having it with you one the way / way back from JuJitsu - not driving about at 4am in town - same as a gun.
Sensible approach is to not carry a knife in public - problem seems to be that in your car seems to be defined as a public place
Sensible approach is to not carry a knife in public - problem seems to be that in your car seems to be defined as a public place
reloader54
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AN DU RU FOX
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The definition would be is it offensive, a ten quid mora covered in gralloch maybe? but an emberleaf cael still in its presentation case hmmm not so sure.
nun_hunter
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Just remember that "The Police" are in fact over 100,000 individuals (well before the cuts anyway) you will get different opinions and outcomes depending on who you meet.
Christ the few thousand active members on here can't even agree on whether owning a firearm is a right or a privilege or if shooting does in March is acceptable. To expect 100k individuals to all interpret the numerous conflicting laws we have and then implement them in the same way that serves the public and (more importantly) covers the officers ass when something goes wrong later is nigh on impossible.
reloader54
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I see where you're coming from, especially the differing opinions on here, however we pride ourselves on our individuality, but still have plenty in common.
but I would expect the police to recognise the difference between a black guy in a hoodie with a machete and a bag of charlie on a dark corner in any major city and a bloke on his way back from an evening stalk. of course it would be prudent to act in a calm and rational manner when confronted by the police and best not run like fook shouting "you'll never take me alive pig" whilst firing the 3006 over your shoulder.
You mean you stand your ground and maintain a grim silence while mowing them down? And any calibre from 270 upwards will do.I see where you're coming from, especially the differing opinions on here, however we pride ourselves on our individuality, but still have plenty in common.
but I would expect the police to recognise the difference between a black guy in a hoodie with a machete and a bag of charlie on a dark corner in any major city and a bloke on his way back from an evening stalk. of course it would be prudent to act in a calm and rational manner when confronted by the police and best not run like fook shouting "you'll never take me alive pig" whilst firing the 3006 over your shoulder.
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nun_hunter
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I see where you're coming from, especially the differing opinions on here, however we pride ourselves on our individuality, but still have plenty in common.
but I would expect the police to recognise the difference between a black guy in a hoodie with a machete and a bag of charlie on a dark corner in any major city and a bloke on his way back from an evening stalk. of course it would be prudent to act in a calm and rational manner when confronted by the police and best not run like fook shouting "you'll never take me alive pig" whilst firing the 3006 over your shoulder.
That is true but also you have to remember that a lot of coppers grew up in cities so anyone with a hoodie on a dark street corner could look less threatening and more common than a man in the middle of nowhere dressed in camo with a rifle and knife and covered in blood!
One is a matter of opinion, the other is a matter of law - if you (One) do(es) not know the law - word perfect, then you should not interpret it to suit you or the circumstances. It is what it is and is clarified, if needed, by case law.
Opinion on the other hand is what you FEEL it should be.
I suggest there is little ground for suggesting a direct comparison.
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