Man was talking Scotland on Reds , the law has not changed and its unwise to trust what governments promise
Which calibre to change too?
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I did say apart from PPU!
Only asked as you mentioned using a military round for the availability of fmj practice ammunition, the implication being there would be cheap milsurp around. Plenty of cartridges come in fmj, not just ex military/ current military rounds.
Change up to a .270 as it will do the main job and wont leave you short on the hinds
So we should trust that they will legislate a change in construction of the bullet (lead to mono-metal) as promised, but we must not trust that they will legislate the change in minimum mass requirements (100gr to 80gr) as promised?
Which is it? Do we trust them or not?
I cannot conceive of a situation where Kim Jung Sturgeon and her Politburo will change legislation to the effect that they are saying "you must all change to a bigger, more powerful, chambering"...
The cost of a rifle is not a problem, but by the time I’ve put decent glass on it and a moderator on it. That’s quite an investment for one of them to become a cabinet queen.
Foxyboy43
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“Any 6.5 or .30 cal will do everything you need - I have shot smaller deer species with .30 cal and it’s more about bullet choice than the chambering.”.
All you need to know in one sentence. I have both and reach for the 6.5x55SE practically every time, not because it is necessarily better but because I can see the bullet strike and the recoil is less than the .308.
As you are homeloading N160 and 130 Sierra Gamechangers or 120 Prohunters in the 6.5 and N140 and 125 Prohunters in the .308 will drop anything you shoot in this hemisphere providing of course that you do the necessary.
Good luck.
All you need to know in one sentence. I have both and reach for the 6.5x55SE practically every time, not because it is necessarily better but because I can see the bullet strike and the recoil is less than the .308.
As you are homeloading N160 and 130 Sierra Gamechangers or 120 Prohunters in the 6.5 and N140 and 125 Prohunters in the .308 will drop anything you shoot in this hemisphere providing of course that you do the necessary.
Good luck.
Given the delays generally being experienced in processing variations, & assuming you're doing a one for one not applying for an additional rifle, if it was me I'd be looking to have my current rifle rebarelled in the same chambering but with a slightly faster twist rate in order to allow me to shoot the copper bullets & keep everything else as familiar as possible.
But, if you're after getting another rifle then I'd suggest a .308W, it'll do everything you want or need of it & you should be in a better position to get copper ammunition for it than some of the less popular or more 'vogue' chamberings - like my 6.5x47 Lapua for example...
Just my two p'neth.
But, if you're after getting another rifle then I'd suggest a .308W, it'll do everything you want or need of it & you should be in a better position to get copper ammunition for it than some of the less popular or more 'vogue' chamberings - like my 6.5x47 Lapua for example...
Just my two p'neth.
Heym SR20
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I wouldn’t change anything. I would contact @Edinburgh Rifles and get a box of 100gn Peregrine VRG3‘s witj some load data. You will use some bullets to work up a load and then the rest will cover your Red Deer Scotland needs fir some time.
And this will cost a lot less than messing about with variations, changing rifles etc.
If you want a bigger rifle look no further than the 7x57. Has always had a fast twist so capable of stabilising longer copper bullets.
Re gunshops not stocking non-lead, my experience of most emporiums is that they don’t want to try anything new, and down South most don’t even know what a rifle is.
Some will catch up and do lots of business, others won’t.
And this will cost a lot less than messing about with variations, changing rifles etc.
If you want a bigger rifle look no further than the 7x57. Has always had a fast twist so capable of stabilising longer copper bullets.
Re gunshops not stocking non-lead, my experience of most emporiums is that they don’t want to try anything new, and down South most don’t even know what a rifle is.
Some will catch up and do lots of business, others won’t.
Never trust what any government says until it actually happens, in law. Its just best to edge your bets via buying something with the ability to shoot whatever happens . In truth i think its still 50-50 on loosing lead completely but i am very much in the process of change towards it !
Lets not forget most of the worlds copper mines are owned by China and most of the copper is in Africa in the Likes of Zambia etc . Its used for so many things we will find it a lot harder to replace with other things
Personally i like copper , it works really well on deer ( i dont like the price though and it has some good things in use and some bad ). The Scottish Government especially might think more about putting more people out of shooting quite intentionally , their majority is held via Glasgow and Edinburgh so its no big deal to them regards votes ( that is all that interests the politician)
You could get yourself fully kitted out with a second rifle, scope and mod for under £500 if you don't mind 2nd hand.
TringSaint
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I have no idea if any others make 6.5 fmj as not needed to buy anything different. PPU works fine and is cheap for the range.
TringSaint
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Et, voila!!
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They might, and may also consider a change to the Deer (Scotland) Act sufficient to do so.
They would be wrong however, as a change to the primary legislation (i.e. the Firearms Act) is outwith their sphere of influence; it is not a devolved issue.
By changing the Deer (Scotland) Act to (in effect) preclude the use of the common .243Win they would be saying to all owners of such a chambering "you will have to get a bigger rifle". The Firearms legislation is such that if you have need of it then you can have it. Given no other material changes in circumstance someone who had legal need of a deer rifle previously would still have legal need for one subsequent to any changes in the Deer (Scotland) Act, their only option at that point is a one-for-one variation for a "bigger" chambering. Something that legally could not be refused.
The press would have a field day...
Aye , shooting times might mention it , in General terms regards national or local press ? wont even get a couple of lines
Smellydog
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Yeah but what about walrus??“Any 6.5 or .30 cal will do everything you need - I have shot smaller deer species with .30 cal and it’s more about bullet choice than the chambering.”.
All you need to know in one sentence. I have both and reach for the 6.5x55SE practically every time, not because it is necessarily better but because I can see the bullet strike and the recoil is less than the .308.
As you are homeloading N160 and 130 Sierra Gamechangers or 120 Prohunters in the 6.5 and N140 and 125 Prohunters in the .308 will drop anything you shoot in this hemisphere providing of course that you do the necessary.
Good luck.
Foxyboy43
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