Why is the BDS not relevant?
- Thread starter NigelM
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People make the mistake of imagining the BDS to be a stalking club and when the charity doesn’t deliver in accordance expectation, expensive three-point shooting sticks are cast far & wide in annoyance.
K
K
Just because people don't respond to a poll isn't necessarily cause to assume they aren't members.
Ian
Ian
How many orgs can you join for the amount of spare cash you have?
moonstone gsp
Well-Known Member
I will not be renewing due to the lack of support to the stalker who who was at the centre of the stag in the water shooting incident. BASC stood by him BDS remained silent.
jim_allen_uk
Well-Known Member
BASC fights/lobbies for fieldsports in the media and provides insurance. The GWCT conducts fantastic research which is providing valuable data backing up the benefits of fieldsports and helping learn the best conservation methods to protect red listed species.
BDS don't provide insurance, they don’t need to be a media voice protecting stalking as it’s not really under attack. They basically just run and earn money via courses in line with the DMQ syllabus.
I’ve nothing against BDS as I used to really enjoy the magazines they produce but can see no benefit for me in being a member again.
BDS don't provide insurance, they don’t need to be a media voice protecting stalking as it’s not really under attack. They basically just run and earn money via courses in line with the DMQ syllabus.
I’ve nothing against BDS as I used to really enjoy the magazines they produce but can see no benefit for me in being a member again.
Roestalker39
Well-Known Member
Do they really ???
I think he means 'welcomes '
CarlW
Well-Known Member
Plenty of people on here also behaved pretty shamefully towards NR and his client during that incident. I was deeply upset and embarrassed by the eagerness-to-convict demonstrated by our community.
Incorrect. BASC no longer provides insurance, nor has done for quite a while.
Incorrect 2 BDS insurance has always been an optional extra because many members are not stalkers so have no need for it. There was an hiatus when their provider pulled out, but now they have got another one. Yet to learn of what the new cover includes, but it sounds promising.
Incorrect 3 BDS funding comes from many sources, I don't know the figures but I doubt that "They basically just run and earn money via courses" Oh, and they are a charity. "BDS promotes deer education, research and management best practice to ensure a healthy and sustainable deer population in balance with the environment; a key feature of the biodiversity of the UK landscape." Registered as a charity in England and Wales 1069663 and Scotland SCO37817.
If you are interested you can look them up on Companies House and study their accounts. Which are detailed and informative. E.g. see
THE BRITISH DEER SOCIETY
Company number 03485785
THE BRITISH DEER SOCIETY (SALES AND SERVICES) LIMITED
Company number 02957152
You could also try looking at
BASC DIRECT LIMITED
Company number 09113296
You won't learn anything much there, just a dusty dry balance sheet.
I find the BDS Deerbytes and GWCT frequent email newsletters very interesting reading, and read the BDS mag. online (digital deer). Spring issue just out.
I agree, GWCT are also a laudable organisation.
80% of whom exactly ? TBH I find your post title somewhat pejorative. It might surprise you that I chose not to indulge in your "survey" because I saw little point in doing so.
Even as a member of more than 30-years I do still find their desire to distance themselves from “deerstalking” to be slightly annoying and not without deep irony when studying their primary source of advertising revenue as may be found on every other page of the Deer Journal! But as it’s all Deer Management related I guess it’s OK.
But what really makes my Loden cape billow is the PATHETIC membership card.
K
But what really makes my Loden cape billow is the PATHETIC membership card.
K
Freeforester
Well-Known Member
BDS are concerned with deer and the dissemination of information about them and their welfare, not the expectations of some people, the ’whats in it for me’ brigade.
It was ever thus, and should remain so.
Life membership some thirty years ago proved to be a sound decision, but I agree with K’s appraisal of the token card, which may as well not be issued, not that it is anything of real importance.
It was ever thus, and should remain so.
Life membership some thirty years ago proved to be a sound decision, but I agree with K’s appraisal of the token card, which may as well not be issued, not that it is anything of real importance.
Also not forgetting that the BDS is an apolitical charity and not a shooting organisation. Thus is in a position to offer unbiased advice to queries from Government bodies, education authorities etc.
As to the survey? I didn't see it so couldn't answer.
sikamalc
Administrator
First and foremost the BDS is a registered charity. All the other organisations are not. Therefore a certain amount of the BDS income has to go towards research which benefits deer, I think about 20%, but I stand to be corrected. As a charity it is not for profit, and I can tell you that running a charity with staff is no easy matter. This is carefully governed by the Charity Commission.
I support the BDS because some of their expenditure is put back into research on various issues with our 6 species of deer. This could be anything from disease, environmental impact to breeding cycles. The insurance has always been an add on. As deer stalkers I think its important to support such as organisation, as others such as BASC and NGO are more for general shooting and do not specifically cover deer. Although I get it that many join for the insurance. However there are a large number of places to take out shooting insurance for recreational purposes, not so many for commercial, which anyone charging for their services to guide should be insured. Quite a number are NOT.
I am also a member of the NGO, mostly to support our game keeping community, although I very rarely put my hands on my shotguns these days. The BDS does have local branches, but I rarely attend any meetings. Mostly because I am too busy stalking with clients and running my own business. But I will be frank in that some do tend to be clicky and the SE branch does not hold much in the way of meetings, outside of the annual paper punching at Bisley
which holds no interest to me personally.
I support the BDS because some of their expenditure is put back into research on various issues with our 6 species of deer. This could be anything from disease, environmental impact to breeding cycles. The insurance has always been an add on. As deer stalkers I think its important to support such as organisation, as others such as BASC and NGO are more for general shooting and do not specifically cover deer. Although I get it that many join for the insurance. However there are a large number of places to take out shooting insurance for recreational purposes, not so many for commercial, which anyone charging for their services to guide should be insured. Quite a number are NOT.
I am also a member of the NGO, mostly to support our game keeping community, although I very rarely put my hands on my shotguns these days. The BDS does have local branches, but I rarely attend any meetings. Mostly because I am too busy stalking with clients and running my own business. But I will be frank in that some do tend to be clicky and the SE branch does not hold much in the way of meetings, outside of the annual paper punching at Bisley
which holds no interest to me personally.
timbrayford
Well-Known Member
didn't see the poll ?
wildfowler1
Well-Known Member
Because they have messed up with the insurance that they have always offered. I for one have now moved to the NGO. Wf1
All those organisations have a tough job keeping diverse interests happy, not easy. What I like about BDS is that it somehow manages to keep the peace between the non-shooting naturalists and red-meat-eating killers, we need both. To be fair GCWT does this too, but I get the impression BASC doesn't. I know and have stalked with a few of the BDS leaders and respect their views of deer management.
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