Land Reform and it's Impact On Stalking and the countryside

[stecad]

Check out the Sunday Times (28th June Edition) - Jeremy Clarkson writes an excellent article on the whole SNP land grab and anti shooting agenda.
"Six form politics made real. It's been tried all over the world and it hasn't worked, anywhere, ever, Mugabe, Stalin, Castro, Pot, Mao, Sturgeon. They're all the same."

 

[Feugh]

SNP members rebel over demand for radical land reform - Telegraph
SNP conference 2015: Delegates vote for more radical land reform plans - BBC News


The latest twist

 

[turner.jc1]

This is class warfare gone mad. The SNP are attacking the property rights of its own population, and behaving generally more like a Banana Republic than an EU member state (which is what they'd like to be I assume), in the name of 'equality'. The portrayal of anonymous and wealthy/foreign/greedy land owners as pariahs who need to be booted out, or at least stripped of their 'ill gotten gains' is very dangerous. Are they're no more right wing voices of concern being given air time/press in Scotland?

 

[waterford103]

SNP are marxists , study marxist doctrine and you will see a mirror in the snp . Until Scotland comes to it's senses and reduces the power of this evil group to inflict marxism on us all then we can only either suffer or leave . I strongly suspect that in addition to the oil industry woes there will be further losses in jobs as firms move south or simply close , steel next , financial organisations plans already advanced for the move , I predict a disaster looming.

 

[JTO]

Some friends of mine have bought grouse moors south of the border, I wonder why!

 

[David Brown]

In reading some of the comments from Assynt crofters who were angry at the JM trust killing out the local deer population, it has now sunk in that these individuals in communities who have bought the land don't actually own anything! They have just changed landlords from a super-rich family to a community trust that is in debt to the state.

This is just state ownership by the back door. I for one object to my taxes being used to buy out landowners ,and set up community trusts which will require massive further subsidy to continue while our hospitals and schools get less and less of the available pot. If you look at how many individuals benefit from these buyouts it seems mad that the sums per person this government is prepared spend to see its ideology implemented are so huge. I read the reports on the few community trusts which are keeping in the black are doing so on the back of renewables which is also subsidised by the bill/taxpayer.

It it is a well known political tactic to deflect failings by targeting areas where the mass of population can feel envious at. I am fairly sure the majority of greater Glasgow voters didn't give a thought or care as to who owned vast tracts of empty rock in northern Scotland before this was whipped up by the SNP.

David

 

[rodp]

What happens in the future when it all goes belly up ? Who will get first option to buy the land when it has to be sold off?

 

[Mick9abf]

Apparently the 'members' have decided that land reform is not radical enough - braveheart politics at its best...

Victory for Our Land campaign and members as land reform motion is rejected | Politics | The National

 

[User00026]

I have to say that at this point the thought of the SNP and where they are heading is frightening me to the core. Not just the SNP, but the UK in general (whilst it can still be called the UK of course!,,if SNP had their way then!), where Labour is potentially heading with that nutter spearheading the move towards a bare feet and sandals culture, the astonishing national desire to retreat from the EU, the idea of essentially turning the clocks back a couple of centuries and hoping it was the right decision to preserve production/economies, national pride, culture and overall self reliance.

UK and Scotland to me are my home and will always be, despite being a foreign national originally; however, I must say if everything goes the 'wrong' way in the next couple of years politically, big decisions might have to be made.. I am all for what the UK stands for, I also love the Scottish sense of price and heritage that goes with it.

What I genuinely wonder about are who the hell are voting these troglodytes into power?

 

[Feugh]

Apparently the 'members' have decided that land reform is not radical enough - braveheart politics at its best...

Victory for Our Land campaign and members as land reform motion is rejected | Politics | The National

This is so scary that it's almost amusing - the members are telling the leadership that they aren't radical enough, and the leadership are trying to hold them back (probably because they know that if they're any more radical they'll lose all credibility).
I can see the SNP breaking into splinters groups in the future - some more left wing than others. It has already started, with in fighting between the main body of the SNP and the likes of Tommy Sheridan, who is trying to get onto the breakaway bandwagon.
Who are voting these folks into power? I reckon it's largely people who have lost all faith in the main Westminster parties and those in them who rely on soundbites and half-truths. Sooner or later these same people will end up disappointed with what they're voting for at the moment.

 

[rodp]

This is so scary that it's almost amusing - the members are telling the leadership that they aren't radical enough, and the leadership are trying to hold them back (probably because they know that if they're any more radical they'll lose all credibility).
I can see the SNP breaking into splinters groups in the future - some more left wing than others. It has already started, with in fighting between the main body of the SNP and the likes of Tommy Sheridan, who is trying to get onto the breakaway bandwagon.
Who are voting these folks into power? I reckon it's largely people who have lost all faith in the main Westminster parties and those in them who rely on soundbites and half-truths. Sooner or later these same people will end up disappointed with what they're voting for at the moment.

You mean like labour ?

 

[McKenzie]

I have to say that at this point the thought of the SNP and where they are heading is frightening me to the core. Not just the SNP, but the UK in general (whilst it can still be called the UK of course!,,if SNP had their way then!), where Labour is potentially heading with that nutter spearheading the move towards a bare feet and sandals culture, the astonishing national desire to retreat from the EU, the idea of essentially turning the clocks back a couple of centuries and hoping it was the right decision to preserve production/economies, national pride, culture and overall self reliance.

UK and Scotland to me are my home and will always be, despite being a foreign national originally; however, I must say if everything goes the 'wrong' way in the next couple of years politically, big decisions might have to be made.. I am all for what the UK stands for, I also love the Scottish sense of price and heritage that goes with it.

What I genuinely wonder about are who the hell are voting these troglodytes into power?

+1

 

[Heym SR20]

+1

+2

and given the state of the Scottish economy already planning my exit. I don't want to but needs must. Downside is that cost of moving prohibitive. Who would want a flat in Edinburgh. Immediately loos 10% plus in stamp duty. If I let it then risk having rent caps and land reform also applies to urban property as well. If the state don't like how you are managing a flat - well they will take it off you.

And look at what they are proposing for universities. All post of professor and above will require political ratification, and all university courses will be set by the SNP. So Nicola asking to be judged on their performance. Well:

schooling - once envy of the world - now lagging behind
financial services - ditto
agriculture - ditto
silicon Glen, and biotech - ditto
oil services - ditto
police scotland
fire service
universities
renewables

anything I have left out?

 

[rodp]

Do you think we'll (England) see an influx of our Scottish brothers if it all goes the SNP way ? How many will up sticks and move south of the border ?

 

[McKenzie]

We're not there yet & hopefully won't get there. I have to say though that I'm making a conscious effort to increase my proportion of English clients, partly with an eye to the future & partly as things in Scotland seem a little sluggish due to the ever-present uncertainty.

The horror scenario for me is the UK leaving Europe, Scotland having a second referendum and separating from the rest of the UK & joining the EU just as it starts to implode as I think it will trigger some very difficult situations, to say the least. Other countries might follow suit & sooner or later Greece is going to have to leave.

At that point I'll be on a plane to NZ.

 

[User00026]

At that point I'll be on a plane to NZ.

thought about that mysef, beautiful, unspoilt mountains and nature, plenty of natural game, brown trout fishing on some cracking streams on S.I., and you'll pick up a cool accent! LOL.

 

[Chanty Wrassler]

I've always been a bit puzzled that commercial operations like farming and sporting estates are not liable for business rates. A small workshop and yard in Irvine is currently on the market for £100,000. It has an RV of £15,000 so even if the new owner has no other commercial property and gets the maximum relief, the rates bill will still be £5400. A farm, with a market value of at least 20 times that of the Irvine yard, will pay no rates. As for comparing the yard's value to the market value of even a small sporting estate ....

 

[rodp]

I've always been a bit puzzled that commercial operations like farming and sporting estates are not liable for business rates. A small workshop and yard in Irvine is currently on the market for £100,000. It has an RV of £15,000 so even if the new owner has no other commercial property and gets the maximum relief, the rates bill will still be £5400. A farm, with a market value of at least 20 times that of the Irvine yard, will pay no rates. As for comparing the yard's value to the market value of even a small sporting estate ....

True, and when I spent 6 months down Devon and Cornwall I was told by several hauliers / businesses that although they were using farm yards for other purposes they still paid no rates. Diversifying farms it was classed as, so they got away with it.

 

[Brigadoon]

I've always been a bit puzzled that commercial operations like farming and sporting estates are not liable for business rates. A small workshop and yard in Irvine is currently on the market for £100,000. It has an RV of £15,000 so even if the new owner has no other commercial property and gets the maximum relief, the rates bill will still be £5400. A farm, with a market value of at least 20 times that of the Irvine yard, will pay no rates. As for comparing the yard's value to the market value of even a small sporting estate ....

Depends how you define "commercial" - most estates and many farms are not commercial in the sense of being self sustaining - they rely on subsidy either from a wealthy owner (estates) or the public purse (farms).

Impsing business rates on many estates and farms is trying to take the breeks off heilanders

 

[Heym SR20]

Do you think we'll (England) see an influx of our Scottish brothers if it all goes the SNP way ? How many will up sticks and move south of the border ?

Its already happening. A lot of professionals are having to travel south every week, with their Scottish office acting as a back office. A lot of businesses when reducing are making decision to shut Scottish operations - cf oil sector in particular, but also likes of Youngs Seafood, Tata steel etc. all of Diageo is run out of London and has been for many years. Many estates are quietly being sold, with money going southwards - I could go on.