Deeply Deeply Sad

Has been since first post, the handwringing must be producing blisters by now.
I guess some just cannot let it go and get on with life.

Sadly this 'morbid negativity' has infected about 3 SD members who have done the same on other sites - its a condition called S.A.D. - Stupifyingly Anti Democratic.
Thankfully its not contagious or we would be in trouble.
 


The ultimate Brexit metaphor. Take away a controlling power, (in this instance the traffic lights) and the people will just get on with it without the need of micromanagement.
 
Well said Heym SR20 - tricky, trying and troubling times ahead. Hopefully we'll navigate through these tricky waters to be better off than we were....but it's not a certainty.
 
EU regulations are not like traffic lights. The UK, and all of Europe, already had enough sensible regulations.

EU regulations are like a toll collector at every intersection, slowing things up. But if you can pay a bit more, they will let you go ahead of your turn, and drive in the fast lane.
 
Has the xenophobia just started since the referendum or has it always been simmering under the surface for fear of being labelled as racism instead?
 
Will the remainers please tell me what bit of the principles of democracy they don't understand? The side with the most votes wins! If you can't accept that you are not a democrat. You can choose your method of government from one of the following: Dictatorship, Fascism, Socialism as practiced in China, North Korea, or Stalin's Russia. Whether you realise/accept it or not this is what you are advocating. No matter how thick you think the exiters were the principle of universal suffrage is that everybodies vote is of equal worth. Also those who don't vote don't count, you can't distribute these uncast votes as you see fit.

David.
 
Still reading this thread, as far as post 68 so a few random musings.

I would observe that If my Democracy and Sovereignty had not been given away, I would not have been forced to vote to try to recover it.

Was it not John Major who on election promised to keep Britain "at the very heart of Europe" and claimed to have won "game set and match for Britain" ? ?

A lot of people country wide don't seem to like democracy in action as happening now?
The fact that lies were told by both sides is historic and just one instrument of control that Establishment figures use to instill fear in the population to maintain their grip?

Media coverage has, as usual been divisive in the extreme due to their self interest?

Not wishing to comment on the behaviour of some people, maybe just a sign of the lack of discipline evident in recent progressive upbringing?
 
I would observe that If my Democracy and Sovereignty had not been given away, I would not have been forced to vote to try to recover it.

Was it not John Major who on election promised to keep Britain "at the very heart of Europe" and claimed to have won "game set and match for Britain" ? ?

A lot of people country wide don't seem to like democracy in action as happening now?
The fact that lies were told by both sides is historic and just one instrument of control that Establishment figures use to instill fear in the population to maintain their grip?

Media coverage has, as usual been divisive in the extreme due to their self interest?

Not wishing to comment on the behaviour of some people, maybe just a sign of the lack of discipline evident in recent progressive upbringing?

You should change your forum name from Old Man to Wise Man. :thumb:
 
Still reading this thread, as far as post 68 so a few random musings.

I would observe that If my Democracy and Sovereignty had not been given away, I would not have been forced to vote to try to recover it.

Was it not John Major who on election promised to keep Britain "at the very heart of Europe" and claimed to have won "game set and match for Britain" ? ?

A lot of people country wide don't seem to like democracy in action as happening now?
The fact that lies were told by both sides is historic and just one instrument of control that Establishment figures use to instill fear in the population to maintain their grip?

Media coverage has, as usual been divisive in the extreme due to their self interest?

Not wishing to comment on the behaviour of some people, maybe just a sign of the lack of discipline evident in recent progressive upbringing?

All so true and down to the greedy 'me, me, me,' society that is now upon us. Is the recent result of Democracy now to be a thing of the past? Or will it indeed hold firm and provide the British population the proof of Democracy in action?
 
A lot of people country wide don't seem to like democracy in action as happening now

You think it was democracy?
Personally I think it made a mockery of our whole parliamentary system.
We elect a government - that's democracy. The government then has a duty to do what it believes is best for the country as a whole. They have civil servants and secretaries and whatnot running about for them to gather all the information required to make a reasonable judgement. The average voter in the street doesn't have ready access to this data, nor the time or inclination to seek it out, nor the expertise to analyse it. This is why so many people based their votes on emotional claptrap, rather than on the socio-economic consequences of the possible outcome.

But hey! Maybe this is the new way of doing things? More power to the people.... We could have a free vote on all sorts of things! How about firearms ownership, for a start? Should UK citizens be allowed to own firearms, yes or no? I'm sure it would be easy enough to arrange - just wait until after the next terrorist outrage, or the next gun-related violent crime, when the public are all up in arms about it (if you'll pardon the pun). Some up-and-coming young politician could be persuaded to raise the issue, the media would get behind it and the people would love it. In a very short while they'd be demanding a vote on it, and then hey presto! That would probably be the end of sporting shooting in the UK.
Of course, most members of this forum would be quite happy with the result, because it would be democracy in action. However, I prefer the system whereby our democratically elected government weighs up the evidence and then decides that we should be able to continue to own firearms for sporting purposes, subject to certain rules.
 
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