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countrryboy
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Information coming from government offices that they are getting priority for council houses doesn't mean they are on benefits.
Chasey
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Man alive!
you're wringing your hands & weeping hard. Get used to it, we're out and in not too long, properly out.
That's like saying you have terminal cancer, get used to it???
I am not weeping for me, The only thing that will affect me is the loss of my freedom to live travel & work through the EU member states which is a shame, but Ill be 56 in 20/20 and I am retireing. So not that much of one.
I do feel sorry for my Kids. They are bloody furious and feel cheated out of their future freedom to travel and work anywhere in the EU.
Chasey
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Think about the logic of what your saying?
Then think about UK citizens with property abroard, UK holiday makers, UK off shore tax situations like Google, Vodaphone etc etc.
The issue of imigrents sending a few hundred quid home each month rather than spending it on two weeks in the Costa Brava like most brits, is tiny.
I have said it before ill say it again for what its worth.
The system is screwed up. Befits, housing etc etc its al a mess. We should be fixing it but instead we will be wasting bliions on the whole Brexit fiasco.
Brexit in and of itself will solve absolutely nothing of value.
The imigrants will still be here, new imigrants will still come here and tax dodging scum and lazy benefit cheats will still be holding hard working people to ransom.
The EU was a mess and needed fixing. Leaving was stupid and fixed nothing
The EU to survive must make an example of us. They must screw us over so badly every other member is frightend to leave.
Its what id do
In 20 -30 years time there may or may not be a benefit in having left the EU. I cant see it my self but then I thaught property prices had peeked in 2009 so WTF do I know
Morgy
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So what if the EU collapses as it may well do? suppose the French in the spring vote Marie Le Pen in, then they called to leave the EU, or the Germans or the Italians, Greeks, Dutch all of whom want referendums, the disillusionment is not just here in the UK it is across all the EU member countries. People are sick and tired of EU regulations, no control on numbers of people crossing borders and just about everything else the EU wants from the people of these countries.
Imagine we had said yes to the Euro.
The problem here is not that you are wrong and the leavers are right or vice versa, there was a democratic vote and it was determined that the UK should leave. Not everyone will be happy with that decision, anymore than a general election when one party or another gains office, there is always someone unhappy.
The UK may well be the first to leave, but do you think it will be the last? Discontent is rife across the EU
Imagine we had said yes to the Euro.
The problem here is not that you are wrong and the leavers are right or vice versa, there was a democratic vote and it was determined that the UK should leave. Not everyone will be happy with that decision, anymore than a general election when one party or another gains office, there is always someone unhappy.
The UK may well be the first to leave, but do you think it will be the last? Discontent is rife across the EU
Hornet 6
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I suppose we are free, free to make choices, to live and work in whichever eu country we wish.
However I keep thinking of this, "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose"
Neil.
Hornet 6
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Well let me set your mind at rest.
You (and your kids) now get to choose which country you/they wish to work in, the only real change is now you have to live in the country you work in.
You have right up till brexit become final and complete to make your choice.
Neil.
Pine Marten
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Yes only in the case of elections, five years later you can change your mind. In this case, the people who don't want to leave the EU are stuffed on that front for at least a generation.
Pine Marten
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I suspect there is a strong current of opinion that goes not a lot further than a feeling that there are "too many bloody foreigners" here. And no quantity of statistics or evidence can change that. It's a feeling, a belief, it's like trying to argue for which is the prettiest colour, it's impervious to that. I do not for a second think that everyone who voted Leave feels that way, but neither is it a negligible view.
tikka_madras
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I suppose by that logic the people who didn't want to be ruled by Europe were stuffed for the past forty years.
What's done is done. It would be better to spend your energy pushing for a free trade deal that includes some limited form of freedom of movement (minus benefit entitlements? Requiring healthcare top-ups? Whatever makes it politically palatable and gives you a semblance of whatever it is you like so much about the EU). Personally, I'm not that fussed. If we'd voted to stay in (as I delcared to friends in the pub before the vote) I'd have been fine with it and just thought we should get on with it and stop the whining. We voted out, and my thoughts are much the same.
Chasey
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Sounds simple but it isn't by a very long way. You think I just rock up in the south of Spain and get citizenship aged 56?
Despite the fact ill be retired and living off my income from the UK, they will view me as an economic migrant.
and its not the same as total freedom to live and work any where in the EU with all the reciprocal agreements that support that.
Morgy
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So if the French vote for a referendum after the spring elections and then voted to leave the EU and the whole thing collapses.....what then? There wont be an EU to leave
Chasey
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We are not now and never have been ruled by the EU??? We are and always have been a Soverign state and we CHOSE to follow the guidance of the EU or not. We have the Veto and we have used it many times in the past.
A simple example is. if we were "rulled" by the EU? why don't we use the Euro?
Daily Telegraph
In truth, however, these laws have not been foisted upon us. British ministers have invariably been party to the discussions that have brought them about, British government officials have negotiated their provisions, British MPs and peers have discussed and debated them (though often only in the most desultory fashion) and legislation to enact many of them has gone through the British parliament.
We have been accomplices in the process, though not always willing ones. But that is the way the EU works. If you want to be a member you have to accept the will of the majority, save in those areas where the veto can be applied - and there are far fewer of those than there used to be.
We cannot belong to the club and carp at the rules that the steering committee introduces, especially when we sit on it ourselves.
Pine Marten
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In that unlikely scenario, I guess you try and do what you do when faced with any disaster... However the French election is turning out to be one of the most incredible political sequence of events I've ever seen. If you haven't been following it closely, then anything you thought you knew a month or even two weeks ago is back up in the air. I'm not going to be complacent about this but I'm now pretty hopeful this is going to end rather well....
Ah, the Brexit question again and the usual crop of remoaners and b'leavers.
This island of ours must be, and to my mind is a wonderful place, the best place in the world.
That is why ever since man found out how to build boats, the Europeans have sought to get here.( Italians, French,Spanish,Scandinavians etc,etc)
What however now puzzles me (answers on a post card please) is that if the EU is so wonderful for all the countries involved in it, why are several hundred thousands of people still trying to come here. Why not stay at home and enjoy the wonderful benefits the EU has to offer.
To the leavers "Work hard at it,this place has existed for 1500 or more years on it's own (less the last 45 or so) and will continue to do so"
To the remainers "Sorry just get used to it, it's going to happen, and whatever you say now has no bearing on the subject".
This island of ours must be, and to my mind is a wonderful place, the best place in the world.
That is why ever since man found out how to build boats, the Europeans have sought to get here.( Italians, French,Spanish,Scandinavians etc,etc)
What however now puzzles me (answers on a post card please) is that if the EU is so wonderful for all the countries involved in it, why are several hundred thousands of people still trying to come here. Why not stay at home and enjoy the wonderful benefits the EU has to offer.
To the leavers "Work hard at it,this place has existed for 1500 or more years on it's own (less the last 45 or so) and will continue to do so"
To the remainers "Sorry just get used to it, it's going to happen, and whatever you say now has no bearing on the subject".
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