The end of Semi Auto Humane Dispatch Pistols

sound moderators for "pistols" only for vets at racecourses
adapted conventional handguns are not generally considered suitable." anyone know what one of them is"

The B&T VP9 in 9x19mm?

https://www.bt-ag.ch/shop/eng/bt-vp9/bt-veterinary-pistol-vp9-suppressed-cal-9-x-19-bt-410000

Or are you asking about ‘silenced’ revolvers? Other than specially adapted S&W & Dan Wessons the only one that comes to mind that was capable of having an effective suppressor fitted to a standard production revolver was the Nagant M1895 in 7.62x38R with the ‘gas seal’ cylinder feature.
 
I know it won't help, but it did go to a *really* good home. I'm confident that it won't ever be taken for granted.

Certainly has mate, I love it, as an aside I was refused an auto pistol by Norfolk, as the Lady said I could go out and buy a unrestricted magazine and use it as a fully unrestricted pistol, also refused me a 9mm calibre as her manager doesn't like them, and restricted me to only buy 50 rounds at any one time, and only hold 50 rounds. So I can only restock when totally out of bullets. Norfolk were once on the ball with firearms and behaved professionally, now it seems to be run by staff who are either hormonal, or who don't seem to fully understand that we are responsible people. And then try to dissuade us, from owning firearms, or impose ridicules regulations based on their current feelings. P.S. it is a cracking pistol that has 2 holsters and a red dot built into the grip, mini weaver rail to go on the top strap for additional red dot/pistol scope. I've been an engineer all my working life, and can only describe it as a work of art, nice one yop, It will have a Viking funeral when I sail to Valhalla, p.s. shoots a dream. deerwarden
 
Hi northdorset i can confirm that a semi auto will be gone as a side arm for dispatch in the not to distant future , i have already had customers who bought them from me been requested by there issuing police force to get rid of them and the poor people have been selling them for nothing .
You may ask why i did not buy them back well why buy something which is going to have no market.
 
Like it or not, gentle folk, firearms and people that possess them (privately) are not flavour of the month. Or to be more accurate, flavour of the century, and a decade or two before this century! Consequently, anyone who has a position that is something to do with public safety or crime reduction (think police chiefs and politicians, especially Home Office types) is, at some time or another, drawn to firearms legislation and will think up new rules/HO advice, legislation or whatever that further restricts people that legitimately possess such items. The fact that most of these wheezes have little or no effect on public safety doesn't really matter. It's the fact that it appears to make everyone safer that is the goal, thus they get a notch on their career post!
 
Home office guidance is just guidance and not law. The firearms act and amendments makes no reference to calibre / capacity or type. There is no legal requirement to restrict any handgun for HD. I have met many people licensed for HD and the assortment of firearms held is wide, restricted / unrestricted / revolver / semi auto etc. Once the applicant has proved good reason, the choice of firearm is entirely the choice of the applicant, many on SD may not agree with certain types, but it is up to the user to decide what is suitable for their particular situation, just as when you require a deer rifle, the calibre is up to the applicant and can not be dictated by the authorising constabulary, other than the legal minimum required. it is a complete postcode lottery of how your constabulary apply Firearms Guidance.

As regards the "info" warning us of the impending removal of all semi autos, first Unless there is a change in law that has to go through both houses of parliament, no firearms dept., FLO or other can make such a statement.

Revocation can only happen if someone breaks the conditions of their licence, breaks the law, looses cause for good reason, (such as not stalking any more), or if the GOVERNMENT change the law following consultation, open debate and a vote.

It is not the first time rumours have spread through the "trade", various things have been muted in the past and never materialised.

I can remember the days before the "reclassification" of handguns (they have never been completely banned in the UK). When the law was changed, it was recognised at the time that compensation was required as "innocent" members of the public were being forced to give up a very safe hobby, same as when self loading centre fire rifles were reclassified. In both circumstances most were compensated, unfortunately some were not.

Now considering the amount of semi automatic pistols that are used for dispatch, (you'd be surprised how many are out there), many are held for professional purposes. Any forced surrender by the government would require compensation, as before.

I do have a vested interest in this topic, part of my business is the provision of Humane Dispatch and we already hold semi automatic pistols under different constabularies. The one area I would agree on, is that all FAC holders are seen by the Police as "potential dangers" and that the current way of thinking amongst Chief Officers is to "remove any perceived risk or responsibility", hence what appears to be a concerted effort to remove firearms from private ownership.

What I disagree with is the manner in which this is being done. If CC's don't like the public owning firearms, then they should campaign for a change in the law, led by evidence and democratic debate and not hound law abiding members of the public. As we are all aware, extra restrictions are already being discussed (.50's etc.),and no matter what your chosen shooting is, clays, game, targets, stalking, vermin etc., unless all stand together, you can be certain we will be more restrictions.

I always thought Police are members of the public paid to uphold laws made in parliament for the good governance of the country and not to make it up as it suits them!!

Tin hat on!!
 
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Home office guidance is just guidance and not law. The firearms act and amendments makes no reference to calibre / capacity or type. There is no legal requirement to restrict any handgun for HD. I have met many people licensed for HD and the assortment of firearms held is wide, restricted / unrestricted / revolver / semi auto etc. Once the applicant has proved good reason, the choice of firearm is entirely the choice of the applicant, many on SD may not agree with certain types, but it is up to the user to decide what is suitable for their particular situation, just as when you require a deer rifle, the calibre is up to the applicant and can not be dictated by the authorising constabulary, other than the legal minimum required. it is a complete postcode lottery of how your constabulary apply Firearms Guidance.

As regards the "info" warning us of the impending removal of all semi autos, first Unless there is a change in law that has to go through both houses of parliament, no firearms dept., FLO or other can make such a statement.

Revocation can only happen if someone breaks the conditions of their licence, breaks the law, looses cause for good reason, (such as not stalking any more), or if the GOVERNMENT change the law following consultation, open debate and a vote.

It is not the first time rumours have spread through the "trade", various things have been muted in the past and never materialised.

I can remember the days before the "reclassification" of handguns (they have never been completely banned in the UK). When the law was changed, it was recognised at the time that compensation was required as "innocent" members of the public were being forced to give up a very safe hobby, same as when self loading centre fire rifles were reclassified. In both circumstances most were compensated, unfortunately some were not.

Now considering the amount of semi automatic pistols that are used for dispatch, (you'd be surprised how many are out there), many are held for professional purposes. Any forced surrender by the government would require compensation, as before.

I do have a vested interest in this topic, part of my business is the provision of Humane Dispatch and we already hold semi automatic pistols under different constabularies. The one area I would agree on, is that all FAC holders are seen by the Police as "potential dangers" and that the current way of thinking amongst Chief Officers is to "remove any perceived risk or responsibility", hence what appears to be a concerted effort to remove firearms from private ownership.

What I disagree with is the manner in which this is being done. If CC's don't like the public owning firearms, then they should campaign for a change in the law, led by evidence and democratic debate and not hound law abiding members of the public. As we are all aware, extra restrictions are already being discussed (.50's etc.),and no matter what your chosen shooting is, clays, game, targets, stalking, vermin etc., unless all stand together, you can be certain we will be more restrictions.

I always thought Police are members of the public paid to uphold laws made in parliament for the good governance of the country and not to make it up as it suits them!!

Tin hat on!!

Talking a lot of sense here
 
Home office guidance is just guidance and not law. The firearms act and amendments makes no reference to calibre / capacity or type. There is no legal requirement to restrict any handgun for HD. I have met many people licensed for HD and the assortment of firearms held is wide, restricted / unrestricted / revolver / semi auto etc. Once the applicant has proved good reason, the choice of firearm is entirely the choice of the applicant, many on SD may not agree with certain types, but it is up to the user to decide what is suitable for their particular situation, just as when you require a deer rifle, the calibre is up to the applicant and can not be dictated by the authorising constabulary, other than the legal minimum required. it is a complete postcode lottery of how your constabulary apply Firearms Guidance.

As regards the "info" warning us of the impending removal of all semi autos, first Unless there is a change in law that has to go through both houses of parliament, no firearms dept., FLO or other can make such a statement.

Revocation can only happen if someone breaks the conditions of their licence, breaks the law, looses cause for good reason, (such as not stalking any more), or if the GOVERNMENT change the law following consultation, open debate and a vote.

It is not the first time rumours have spread through the "trade", various things have been muted in the past and never materialised.

I can remember the days before the "reclassification" of handguns (they have never been completely banned in the UK). When the law was changed, it was recognised at the time that compensation was required as "innocent" members of the public were being forced to give up a very safe hobby, same as when self loading centre fire rifles were reclassified. In both circumstances most were compensated, unfortunately some were not.

Now considering the amount of semi automatic pistols that are used for dispatch, (you'd be surprised how many are out there), many are held for professional purposes. Any forced surrender by the government would require compensation, as before.

I do have a vested interest in this topic, part of my business is the provision of Humane Dispatch and we already hold semi automatic pistols under different constabularies. The one area I would agree on, is that all FAC holders are seen by the Police as "potential dangers" and that the current way of thinking amongst Chief Officers is to "remove any perceived risk or responsibility", hence what appears to be a concerted effort to remove firearms from private ownership.

What I disagree with is the manner in which this is being done. If CC's don't like the public owning firearms, then they should campaign for a change in the law, led by evidence and democratic debate and not hound law abiding members of the public. As we are all aware, extra restrictions are already being discussed (.50's etc.),and no matter what your chosen shooting is, clays, game, targets, stalking, vermin etc., unless all stand together, you can be certain we will be more restrictions.

I always thought Police are members of the public paid to uphold laws made in parliament for the good governance of the country and not to make it up as it suits them!!

Tin hat on!!
Section 133. Guidance
to police
officers in respect of firearms
56.
Subsection 133(2) of the 2017 Act inserts new section 55A in the 1968 Act
which provides the power
to
the Secretary of State
to issue, revise and
publish “statutory” guidance to chief officers of police on the exercise of
their functions under, or in connection with, that Act. When the guidance
is issued, new
sub
section 55A(4) places a duty on chief officers of police
to have r
egard to
it when exercising their functions
.
57.
Before issui ng the guidance, the Secretary of State must
consult
the
National Police Chiefs’ Council and the chief constable of the Police
Service of Scotland before issuing guidance
under sub
section 55A(5)
(a
)
and (b), respecti vely. The Government also intends to consult publicly on
the contents of the guidance, which is expected to be published later this
year.
58.
The Home Office’s non
-
statutory “Guide on Firearms Licensing Law” will
remain i n its current for
m until the statutory guidance is published.


The Guide on Firearms Licensing Law to be made stat
utory
Details of what parts of the current Home Office Gu
idance are to become statutory are yet to
be finalised. BASC has been in early discussions an
d will be involved in the final process. It
will involve licensing processes. One aim of the st
atutory guidance is to aid the courts when
considering appeals. It may also help hold police t
o account outside the courts. This provision
should go a long way towards consistency of adminis
trative application of the law by the police.


Do BASC know something we don't maybe?
( Sorry for the way it's presented. Just copied and pasted )
 
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Do BASC know something we don't maybe?

Probably just as much as they knew about the proposed restrictions on .50 calibre and Lever Release/MARS rifles before they were announced. It's the NPCC and Police Scotland via the HO running the show now.
 
Is there any evidence that a FAC humane despatch pistol holder has used their handgun for a criminal purpose? How many unlawfully held pistols are responsible for handgun crime? Time for the HO to come up with hard evidence rather than ill-considered conjecture.
 
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