Tamus
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Frank, if you wrote what you said above, you told him your name was French. He, or she, was probably left sitting thinking..... and???
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tried to track boar today
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Frank, if you wrote what you said above, you told him your name was French. He, or she, was probably left sitting thinking..... and???
It is illegal to use bows to hunt any wild animal in the UK under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981. Looked this up before I read the rest of your comments sorry am .The danes feel that the normal sensible dog has a natural ingrained fear of boar prbably due to an aversion to being ripped up with the tusks.read Niels Songaard book on the subject .the dog was too young .lets hope ypu have not put off what is obviously a brave pup.
centralbeltstalker
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thanks for pointing that out,
t,
thats why a said sorry for the spelling, frank in french is pronounced as fran-chous or there abouts
but did try,
, as your the resident linguist mate you spell it 
been twenty two years since i was at school
and french was not a top subject.
atb f.
t,
thats why a said sorry for the spelling, frank in french is pronounced as fran-chous or there abouts
but did try,
, as your the resident linguist mate you spell it been twenty two years since i was at school
and french was not a top subject.atb f.
Tamus
Well-Known Member
t,
thats why a said sorry for the spelling, frank in french is pronounced as fran-chous or there abouts
but did try,
been twenty two years since i was at school
atb f.
Oh b~rger, I'm only going to get into more trouble, but I just can't see why not
It's been 34 years since I left school, but I'm pretty sure that the way to spell your name to a French personne is FRANK... see, now I'm all worried you're upset... but you did ask.
Bavarianbrit
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My pal who runs the BodoBande business is a Befufsjäger in Germany and I have seen the scars on his calves where the boar had got it"s own back.
I never underestimate them now.
I have a short barrel overunder slug gun for this job in thick cover now.
Martin
I never underestimate them now.
I have a short barrel overunder slug gun for this job in thick cover now.
Martin
am
I myself hav been quite dis-heartened by the way this thread had gone and only hope you will post future tracking moments as they arrive with your-self and your dog
very interesting to see and hear how different tracking is done in other countries due to the differing species and hunting techniques along with the law
ie with bow hunting and also boar,
Personally I don't hav an issuse of using a young dog to try and track a possibly wounded boar, aslong as it is done in a controlled manner , but I think I may use a different type of dog if I had to deal with a lot of boar
but you still hav to start them at some point so depending on wether you actually know if it was an adult or a piglet will hav a lot of bearing on wether you use a young dog or not, as you don't really know if you were going to find this boar dead or not
my guess is... it was still alive at that point
This is my Account of an incident I had in another country shooting Boar
As we got to the first hunting place, a sounder of boar were already feeding in the ride
slowly crunching our way down the snow filled forest track, it was suggested I go alone to get into a suitable shooting position then as and when take my chance now about 150 yards away I lay down and tried to crawl closer
as i slid through the snow i felt a coldness that shook my body, the boar had moved on, my heart sank, my excitment slowly edged away, they had gone
suddenly from the right a new bunch appeared
"Phew "
Once again I signalled to my guide and chose my boar
This time they were milling around squabbling, desperatley I tried to keep my eye on the chosen one
it went quiet , the boar stood still ...An opening appeared and the 30-06 shattered the silence once more, within seconds the ride was clear, as the sound of the strike was still echoing in my ears I watched my boar dissapear into the trees
My guide confirmed my thoughts by saying how the boar reacted to the shot
A chest shot but not perfect
We waited for all the commotion to die down and made our way down the the point of strike
lots of blood and a good blood trail to follow
As we tracked the blood in the snow tell tale signs started to appear
stomach contents
blood covered futiments
things were not looking good, my guide was now confused wondering where the boar was
I was not
I knew now the bullet had struck low and unzipped the stomach
This was now going to be a difficult track as it was reaching nearly 600+ yards in an ever thicking forest, light was now fading and the moon had not yet risen over the tree tops, so visibility was still poor considering
we reached an area that was now becoming impossible to penetrate
I knew at this point we needed a dog and so did my Guide
from here we made our way back to the motor
A dog man was called
From here I saw a different side of tracking
Something I had heard about but not yet experienced
we went back to the original POI
From there my Guide took the lead once more and led the search
now a little confused as I assumed the dog man would of taken charge but he followed behind with the dog on the leash
I soon worked out why
There was no need to let the dog of here as we knew where the trail had taken us to in the first place
so we just follwed our tracks in the snow till we reached where we had stopped and left the trail
It was here the Dog man took over
Unleashing the Yak terrier on to an untouched blood scent,
it took of like the devil it's self, weaving in and out of the trees untill it disappeared yapping all the way
The dog man at this point loaded his s/s shotgun with solid slugs and turned his torch on, that was taped to the barrel and we just listened and waited
In the distance the terrier started yapping but to another tune like it was in a fit of excitement,
The dog man leapt into action, moving like Linford christie towards the excited terrier
This point my guide told us the boar was still alive nearly 2 1/2 hours later and possibly 100 yards from the initial shot
Then came the tell tale sign, a shot rang out and the terrier was quiet
a shout from the dog man confirmed all was sorted
the terrier had caught up with the boar and was biting it's back end yapping like mad causing the boar to bail around in circles
so keeping the boar in one place while it's master could locate them both from the yapping noise,
if the terrier had just sounded off in a howling way it would of indicated it had found the boar dead
It was only a 27kg piglet
the trusty dog man with his s/s and torch taped to the barrel, cheap and nasty looking but very, very effective
myself the Guide and the dog man after the track
some evening but a good ending,
Tracking like I hav never seen before
So like I said,
I do hope you continue to post, as I for one am very interested as I'm sure are a few others
ATB
I myself hav been quite dis-heartened by the way this thread had gone and only hope you will post future tracking moments as they arrive with your-self and your dog
very interesting to see and hear how different tracking is done in other countries due to the differing species and hunting techniques along with the law
ie with bow hunting and also boar,
Personally I don't hav an issuse of using a young dog to try and track a possibly wounded boar, aslong as it is done in a controlled manner , but I think I may use a different type of dog if I had to deal with a lot of boar
but you still hav to start them at some point so depending on wether you actually know if it was an adult or a piglet will hav a lot of bearing on wether you use a young dog or not, as you don't really know if you were going to find this boar dead or not
my guess is... it was still alive at that point
This is my Account of an incident I had in another country shooting Boar
As we got to the first hunting place, a sounder of boar were already feeding in the ride
slowly crunching our way down the snow filled forest track, it was suggested I go alone to get into a suitable shooting position then as and when take my chance now about 150 yards away I lay down and tried to crawl closer
as i slid through the snow i felt a coldness that shook my body, the boar had moved on, my heart sank, my excitment slowly edged away, they had gone
suddenly from the right a new bunch appeared
"Phew "
Once again I signalled to my guide and chose my boar
This time they were milling around squabbling, desperatley I tried to keep my eye on the chosen one
it went quiet , the boar stood still ...An opening appeared and the 30-06 shattered the silence once more, within seconds the ride was clear, as the sound of the strike was still echoing in my ears I watched my boar dissapear into the trees
My guide confirmed my thoughts by saying how the boar reacted to the shot
A chest shot but not perfect
We waited for all the commotion to die down and made our way down the the point of strike
lots of blood and a good blood trail to follow
As we tracked the blood in the snow tell tale signs started to appear
stomach contents
blood covered futiments
things were not looking good, my guide was now confused wondering where the boar was
I was not
I knew now the bullet had struck low and unzipped the stomach
This was now going to be a difficult track as it was reaching nearly 600+ yards in an ever thicking forest, light was now fading and the moon had not yet risen over the tree tops, so visibility was still poor considering
we reached an area that was now becoming impossible to penetrate
I knew at this point we needed a dog and so did my Guide
from here we made our way back to the motor
A dog man was called
From here I saw a different side of tracking
Something I had heard about but not yet experienced
we went back to the original POI
From there my Guide took the lead once more and led the search
now a little confused as I assumed the dog man would of taken charge but he followed behind with the dog on the leash
I soon worked out why
There was no need to let the dog of here as we knew where the trail had taken us to in the first place
so we just follwed our tracks in the snow till we reached where we had stopped and left the trail
It was here the Dog man took over
Unleashing the Yak terrier on to an untouched blood scent,
it took of like the devil it's self, weaving in and out of the trees untill it disappeared yapping all the way
The dog man at this point loaded his s/s shotgun with solid slugs and turned his torch on, that was taped to the barrel and we just listened and waited
In the distance the terrier started yapping but to another tune like it was in a fit of excitement,
The dog man leapt into action, moving like Linford christie towards the excited terrier
This point my guide told us the boar was still alive nearly 2 1/2 hours later and possibly 100 yards from the initial shot
Then came the tell tale sign, a shot rang out and the terrier was quiet
a shout from the dog man confirmed all was sorted
the terrier had caught up with the boar and was biting it's back end yapping like mad causing the boar to bail around in circles
so keeping the boar in one place while it's master could locate them both from the yapping noise,
if the terrier had just sounded off in a howling way it would of indicated it had found the boar dead
It was only a 27kg piglet
the trusty dog man with his s/s and torch taped to the barrel, cheap and nasty looking but very, very effective
myself the Guide and the dog man after the track
some evening but a good ending,
Tracking like I hav never seen before
So like I said,
I do hope you continue to post, as I for one am very interested as I'm sure are a few others
ATB
Tremplin du Chante
Well-Known Member
Stone, thanks for your comments and for a great write up.
The boar i was looking for was tracked by a Hannover the next day but nothing was found. It is suspected by the handler that it travelled a fair distance down a river bed before continuing into the forest to expire. Not that it is any consillation to the boar, but the bow hunter that shot it feels extremely bad about the situation and has said that he will only bow shoot large game at first light so that a track can be done as soon as possible. Where i live and hunt the terrain is considered too dangerous to track at night for both handler and dog as it is generally on very steep slopes in gorges etc.
My dog had tracked boar i had known to be dead before and i kept him on the leash so that if we had encountered i may have had a bit more control. Since this incident i have been looking at kevlar dog vests by Ayrton that are supposed to offer the dog some protection and may keep him a bit warmer as well.
The way your boar was tracked sounds fairly similar to the way it would have been done here on a fresh scent where the boar was suspected to still be alive.
Blood tracking here seems to be done in the same way as most European countries and in the same way the Brits are now adopting, there is also a lot of game tracking with dogs on a long leash then released when on a hot trail, the idea being they will hold the uninjured beast at bay until the hunter can then find the dog/beast due to the barking or sound of the bells. This style of hunting i should mention is not my ideal and i tend to avoid it as much prefer stalking into animals unaware of my presence.
The breeds used here for the hunting tend to be from Jagd or Fox terriers in size up to large hounds as Teckels etc are generally too small to cope with the terrain.
For blood tracking Hannovers and Bavarians are often used and the most favoured. Here they don't use dogs so much for stalking and pointing large game, they will however use pointers and setters on birds reguarly.
There is a test you can take for a blood dog, you are then on a register and any hunter from your area can call on you to come and track. No fee is charged but normally a tip is given to cover travel expenses.
I will certainly let you know how i get on with my dog as i still have a great deal to learn but he seems to be coming on well. One priority at the moment is to get him as steady as possible whilst stalking.
The boar i was looking for was tracked by a Hannover the next day but nothing was found. It is suspected by the handler that it travelled a fair distance down a river bed before continuing into the forest to expire. Not that it is any consillation to the boar, but the bow hunter that shot it feels extremely bad about the situation and has said that he will only bow shoot large game at first light so that a track can be done as soon as possible. Where i live and hunt the terrain is considered too dangerous to track at night for both handler and dog as it is generally on very steep slopes in gorges etc.
My dog had tracked boar i had known to be dead before and i kept him on the leash so that if we had encountered i may have had a bit more control. Since this incident i have been looking at kevlar dog vests by Ayrton that are supposed to offer the dog some protection and may keep him a bit warmer as well.
The way your boar was tracked sounds fairly similar to the way it would have been done here on a fresh scent where the boar was suspected to still be alive.
Blood tracking here seems to be done in the same way as most European countries and in the same way the Brits are now adopting, there is also a lot of game tracking with dogs on a long leash then released when on a hot trail, the idea being they will hold the uninjured beast at bay until the hunter can then find the dog/beast due to the barking or sound of the bells. This style of hunting i should mention is not my ideal and i tend to avoid it as much prefer stalking into animals unaware of my presence.
The breeds used here for the hunting tend to be from Jagd or Fox terriers in size up to large hounds as Teckels etc are generally too small to cope with the terrain.
For blood tracking Hannovers and Bavarians are often used and the most favoured. Here they don't use dogs so much for stalking and pointing large game, they will however use pointers and setters on birds reguarly.
There is a test you can take for a blood dog, you are then on a register and any hunter from your area can call on you to come and track. No fee is charged but normally a tip is given to cover travel expenses.
I will certainly let you know how i get on with my dog as i still have a great deal to learn but he seems to be coming on well. One priority at the moment is to get him as steady as possible whilst stalking.
sikamalc
Administrator
Personally i think that you never stop learning with dogs and in particular tracking dogs such as BMH, Hanno GWP etc. Each dog has its own character, some are braver then others, some more cautious, others brighter and think ahead more. Much of this comes through experience in the field, but it always puts a huge smile on the owners face when their dog pulls off a spectacular retrieve/find and you know another huge step has been taken in the dog and the owners training.
ATB
Sikamalc
ATB
Sikamalc
paintandpins
Well-Known Member
Couple of things and i apologise if some one has covered them. I used to work on areas with a lot of boar in Germany so know what little devils they can be.
bows: will in most instances leave very little blood which can make it more difficult for young inexperienced dogs which are just used to the aftershave track laying approach of some trainers, 'splash it all over'
The track: did you give the two of you the best chance of success by waiting for optimum conditions. In my opinion you were right to wait if you had failed though i must admit i often wonder how much the track can be affected buy using one dog straight after another, I have tried various experiments over the years with my dogs and find little difference, yet again will depend on the experience of the dog. Boar generally leave quite a strong track.
As Stone said mark your track it may help the next handler who may choose to work it from the impact site(I would)
The dog: under good conditions your pup should be able to cope with this tracks of this type but lack of motivation may need a bit of consolidation, however you are probably right if he had been working it was more likely that at his age and stage of development he was tired and his concentration had gone.
There is another possibility in that some dogs are very aware what a boar will do to them and I have known dogs who were good on other game be hesitant, or refuse to track boar initially. It could be you were closer than you think and the dog wasn’t happy. You should know by the dogs reaction but some can be quiet clever at pretending they have checked, just as some pretend to track just to please the handler. One thing though i wouldn’t recommend leavening your dog while you check the area you have tracked. Take him with you and start again from an area of the track you have marked and where you were sure you were on it, see what he does he’s your best chance, why check the track yourself when you are using a purpose built animal, you’re a team. If you leave your dog when tracking anything can happen and you don’t want to be four hundred yards away when a very angry boar finds young Fido sitting waiting for your return. mind you at least you will locate it from the howls. protect your dogs on deer and especially on boar.
hope this helps
mark
bows: will in most instances leave very little blood which can make it more difficult for young inexperienced dogs which are just used to the aftershave track laying approach of some trainers, 'splash it all over'
The track: did you give the two of you the best chance of success by waiting for optimum conditions. In my opinion you were right to wait if you had failed though i must admit i often wonder how much the track can be affected buy using one dog straight after another, I have tried various experiments over the years with my dogs and find little difference, yet again will depend on the experience of the dog. Boar generally leave quite a strong track.
As Stone said mark your track it may help the next handler who may choose to work it from the impact site(I would)
The dog: under good conditions your pup should be able to cope with this tracks of this type but lack of motivation may need a bit of consolidation, however you are probably right if he had been working it was more likely that at his age and stage of development he was tired and his concentration had gone.
There is another possibility in that some dogs are very aware what a boar will do to them and I have known dogs who were good on other game be hesitant, or refuse to track boar initially. It could be you were closer than you think and the dog wasn’t happy. You should know by the dogs reaction but some can be quiet clever at pretending they have checked, just as some pretend to track just to please the handler. One thing though i wouldn’t recommend leavening your dog while you check the area you have tracked. Take him with you and start again from an area of the track you have marked and where you were sure you were on it, see what he does he’s your best chance, why check the track yourself when you are using a purpose built animal, you’re a team. If you leave your dog when tracking anything can happen and you don’t want to be four hundred yards away when a very angry boar finds young Fido sitting waiting for your return. mind you at least you will locate it from the howls. protect your dogs on deer and especially on boar.
hope this helps
mark
Hi am,
I was with Stone on that track in Poland, a good result from an organised team.
I think perhaps your friend with the bow should invest in a good dog of his own. Tracking wounded beasts is a far more likely event for him due to his chosen method of hunting. It could even be argued that the dog should have been brought and trained prior to taking a shot on live game. Stone and I both have dogs with us when we stalk "just in case", as do many members here. Now if we feel it prudent using our high powered rifles, surely a bow hunter should see the logic in him either having a dog of his own, or at least having a trained dog on call, available a very short notice.
Might be worth showing him this thread as food for thought. Fingers crossed he will take something valuable from it.
Buckup.
I was with Stone on that track in Poland, a good result from an organised team.
I think perhaps your friend with the bow should invest in a good dog of his own. Tracking wounded beasts is a far more likely event for him due to his chosen method of hunting. It could even be argued that the dog should have been brought and trained prior to taking a shot on live game. Stone and I both have dogs with us when we stalk "just in case", as do many members here. Now if we feel it prudent using our high powered rifles, surely a bow hunter should see the logic in him either having a dog of his own, or at least having a trained dog on call, available a very short notice.
Might be worth showing him this thread as food for thought. Fingers crossed he will take something valuable from it.
Buckup.
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