So . . . .

[Roro]

If only the Irish Free State would decide to leave the EU, there would be no Back-stop problem.

Never happen, our big farmers love the free money, sorry subsidies and grants. Our village idiot tds (mp's) love the chance to get a cushy job in brussels, 2k a week + expenses, tax free.

And the irish economy is basically a big tax fiddle for the likes of apple, hp, amazon etc. That dollop of a premier we have, keeps telling us "we are at the heart of europe". A load of rubbish, we were not at the heart when the bank bailout happened, they screwed us over.

 

[Roro]

Ho Hum, I live there and just do not feel this dynamic at all. They seem to me to want to put all that behind them and build a strong economy. The politico"s may have their own agenda going in Berlin but the London politicos are just as bad as are all types who want to be voted onto gravy trains.

They want to put all that behind them because they have changed tack. Scratch under the surface of any german and the old sterotype is there. Having worked with a few and having one in the gun club i know first hand.
At an argument at the gun club agm, i did have to laugh when the german lost his rag, stamped his foot and uttered the immortal words "YOU VIL DO AS I SAY". He was promptly told to **** off.

 

[Leadwasp]

It's very supercilious of Remainers to say that Leavers offer no certainties. No one has ever left the EU before, so there are 2 points to remember. Firstly it WILL be a leap of faith (but into a bigger pond of greater opportunity - there was life before the EU). Secondly there are no certainties in a negotiation. Until you are prepared to accept one of the two extremes - give in or walk away - and as long as you wish for a negotiated settlement there is no such word as "no" in the process. Other than that it's anyones guess until the ink is dry. So please can the bellyaching stop.

Despite the member states agreeing to Article 50 in The Lisbon Treaty they are determined to beat us up for using it.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

They want to put all that behind them because they have changed tack. Scratch under the surface of any german and the old sterotype is there. Having worked with a few and having one in the gun club i know first hand.
At an argument at the gun club agm, i did have to laugh when the german lost his rag, stamped his foot and uttered the immortal words "YOU VIL DO AS I SAY". He was promptly told to **** off.

I have worked with many hundreds of Germans in my working field and lived with one and her greater family for the last 38 years plus a few French so knowing at first hand I would think I have got to know them really very well plus when folks of any country get seriously ****ed on booze they tend to let their guard down and being in these evenings I have never ever had a snide comment aimed at me. Yes there are bad eggs in all countries, I even had a rabid nazi near me at Porsche in 1977 but he was the only one I have met who admitted it proudly. I have though met a lot of openly racists both here in the UK and the USA. Germany works fine for me on a daily basis.

 

[Olaf]

No issue with your opinion of in or out, but how do you square that with the referendum result? In what way was the result not a clear instruction to parliament and how would remaining in the EU honour that result?

It was not a clear instruction to parliament to leave the EU because the leave voteers were completely mislead by various people with a whole set of lies and unfounded assumptions on what leave meant and could achieve.
Personally I would simply terminate article 50 and end the stupid mess as the public should never have been given the opportunity to destroy the UK economy with a pencil.
However because we live in a democracy
A People’s vote on what is now known is the only sensible and right thing to do now.
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[deeangeo]

All politicians tell lies.
The population of this country still know nothing of what leaving the EU will bring for the UK.
Politicians and bankers have created chaos and preached doom and destruction should we leave the ‘safety net’ of the EU.

The people who voted in the referendum, in the main made their decision over matters of immigration, judiciary interference, interference from a secondary parliament abroad, financial payments to Brussels, the EU seeking to become the ‘Federal states of Europe.
Many voters in the 2016 referendum appeared to give little thought to UK economy, but chose to believe our country to be strong enough to stand on its own with WTO trade regs.
I choose to believe that too. I believe nothing politicians say .. .. ever!

No one, - not anyone, either knows, or can predict what leaving the EU will bring for the UK, but scaremongering and lack of balls are the UK’s enemies.

No country has left the EU before and those inventing doom & disaster do the people of this nation a great dis-service. They appear to have thrown in the towel and given up before we’ve even started.
This last seems to have been TM’s ‘negotiating team position’ since becoming PM.

A ‘Peoples vote’ will do nothing other than demonstrate we have no faith in democracy and still show a small majority either way. The country is split on the matter.

 

[User00014]

It was not a clear instruction to parliament to leave the EU because the leave voteers were completely mislead by various people with a whole set of lies and unfounded assumptions on what leave meant and could achieve.
Personally I would simply terminate article 50 and end the stupid mess as the public should never have been given the opportunity to destroy the UK economy with a pencil.
However because we live in a democracy
A People’s vote on what is now known is the only sensible and right thing to do now.
Kindest regards, Olaf

Best post on this thread !

 

[Olaf]

How can holding a People’s vote demonstrate that we don’t , as a country , believe in democracy?
That is exactly what a democracy does.
The rest of your post, and I mean this in the kindest of ways, is completely based on assumptions and guessing about the future. What’s more, do you think that a shark pool like the WTO will let the UK trade without even greater and far more lengthy and costly agreements?
Hardline Brexiters actually want the UK to fly out on April fools day and trade on WTO rules alone. Something that only few and very poor countries do.
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[mchughcb]

 

[Jon Smith]

It was not a clear instruction to parliament to leave the EU because the leave voteers were completely mislead by various people with a whole set of lies and unfounded assumptions on what leave meant and could achieve.
Personally I would simply terminate article 50 and end the stupid mess as the public should never have been given the opportunity to destroy the UK economy with a pencil.
However because we live in a democracy
A People’s vote on what is now known is the only sensible and right thing to do now.
Kindest regards, Olaf

So we should sit down, shut up and let you decide what is best for us? An incredibly offensive, insulting post.
We voted leave (which we have a legal RIGHT to do), not for deals or hand wringing BS

 

[tom308w]

It was not a clear instruction to parliament to leave the EU because the leave voteers were completely mislead by various people with a whole set of lies and unfounded assumptions on what leave meant and could achieve.
Personally I would simply terminate article 50 and end the stupid mess as the public should never have been given the opportunity to destroy the UK economy with a pencil.
However because we live in a democracy
A People’s vote on what is now known is the only sensible and right thing to do now.
Kindest regards, Olaf

both sides were uttering utter rubbish .the remain side were coming out with all sorts of lies and propaganda. we are allegedly in a democracy or so im led to believe

 

[deeangeo]

How can holding a People’s vote demonstrate that we don’t , as a country , believe in democracy?
That is exactly what a democracy does.
The rest of your post, and I mean this in the kindest of ways, is completely based on assumptions and guessing about the future. What’s more, do you think that a shark pool like the WTO will let the UK trade without even greater and far more lengthy and costly agreements?
Hardline Brexiters actually want the UK to fly out on April fools day and trade on WTO rules alone. Something that only few and very poor countries do.
Kindest regards, Olaf

The referendum was held & people offered the chance to decide. The leave camp took the vote.
That is democracy of the people, by the people.
It's the decision in spite of all the lies and utterings of both sides of the propaganda camps.

Another vote is not acceptable since that's not the way democracy works, quite apart from there being only crystal ball guesses still as to what will happen from 1st April on.
If WTO is a shark pool, so also is the EU and frankly I'd rather not be in the EU one.
You have your opinions & so have 60+ million others, nevertheless, I know what mine is.
.

 

[Woodsmoke]

It was not a clear instruction to parliament to leave the EU

Erm. I think you'll find it was.

Personally, and I can no doubt vouch for many of my fellows, I voted to leave the EU purely due to the fact I was disenchanted with having my country's policies and laws meddled with by a remote authority. In fact, pretty much the same reason I voted for Scotland to become independent. At the last check, I was neither mislead, lied-to, misrepresented, or indeed stupid. Perhaps those who choose the status quo should be the ones whose thinking is more worthy of further scrutiny?

 

[jimmy milnes]

I think the remain ‘case’ was nothing more than business as usual...carry on. Or even, consider how good we’ve got it relative to most.

I don't honestly think you can say that as was it not the remain campaign saying that if the vote went against them then interest rates would go through the roof etc etc etc and the horsemen would be coming over the hill ? None of which has happened I might add ''the country was in a worse state after the 2008 banking bubble party and we're still all breathing air''
No secret I voted out but not TM''s version. The last 2 years of bullying by the EU because we dared to question the authority they think they have has only strengthened my stance.
Kind regards
Jimmy

 

[User00014]

Let’s face facts, immigration it’s the main factor here.

Everyone moaning about immigrants stealing out jobs bla bla bla!

The government needs to cut benifits to get the people off the dole to do these jobs more bla bla bla!

Well they are only doing the jobs no one else want to do and that’s fact.

In my own profession as a broiler farm manager i see guys from Poland, Russia, Syria loading chickens by hand (were talking 6600 birds in 35-40 mins!) doing 5-6 loads a day with 4 some times 3 blokes earning £80 - £ 160 a day usually work is done at night.

I’ve done it and i expect I’m not the only one on here who’s been a catcher, it and it’s back breaking work.

Same as picking veg in the fens in all weathers.
Who’s going to do all these crappy jobs after brexit?

The doleites won’t, (not genuine benifit clamants) they go to the job centre take a job and don’t turn up just to tick a box so they can get their money, I see it all the tIme.

These grafters and they are grafters, paying UK tax are leaving in their droves because off Ill feeling and fear of their future in a county that they have called home for years in my opinion racism and discrimination!

This is what rattles my cage.

The leave campaign was fought on 100% bull sh1te

 

[Hornet 6]

Sorry, where has it been proven that we have no control over imigration ? Under EU law we can deport any EU citizens that fail to find work within a 12 week period. It’s just that our Governments have never implemented this law as they saw the genuine and necessary need for migrant workers.
Also, which laws have we no control over , given that the UK has and always has had its Sovereignty?
Kindest regards, Olaf

We have no control over immigration, proven beyond a doubt by the number of immigrants we now have, London our capitol city is 80% foreigners.
Obeying their laws rather than ours, how about living in this society where we are told what we can do by the EU, have our light bulb power decided by Brussels, the power of our hoovers the same.
Not saying we were perfect, but we were in charge at one point.
Its time to loose the EU, lose political correctness, a return to corporal punishment, return to imprisoning offenders, in fact anything to get control of our country back, and to make it a place fit to live in.

Neil.

PS: do you actually live in England ?

 

[jimmy milnes]

Let’s face facts, immigration it’s the main factor here.

Everyone moaning about immigrants stealing out jobs bla bla bla!

The government needs to cut benifits to get the people off the dole to do these jobs more bla bla bla!

Well they are only doing the jobs no one else want to do and that’s fact.

In my own profession as a broiler farm manager i see guys from Poland, Russia, Syria loading chickens by hand (were talking 6600 birds in 35-40 mins!) doing 5-6 loads a day with 4 some times 3 blokes earning £80 - £ 160 a day usually work is done at night.

I’ve done it and i expect I’m not the only one on here who’s been a catcher, it and it’s back breaking work.

Same as picking veg in the fens in all weathers.
Who’s going to do all these crappy jobs after brexit?

The doleites won’t, (not genuine benifit clamants) they go to the job centre take a job and don’t turn up just to tick a box so they can get their money, I see it all the tIme.

These grafters and they are grafters, paying UK tax are leaving in their droves because off Ill feeling and fear of their future in a county that they have called home for years in my opinion racism and discrimination!

This is what rattles my cage.

The leave campaign was fought on 100% bull sh1te

Lee with the greatest of respect it is not immigration that worries people as like you state many people come here work hard, contribute and make a good life for themselves and probably their families.
It's UNCONTROLLED immigration that worries people as not enough checking of peoples background etc. Is done prior to them being allowed entry.
Weedle out the wheat from the chaff so to speak as we have enough wasters, criminals etc that are homegrown without taking in another countries

To summarise
Immigration is good for the economy
Uncontrolled immigration is bad for the economy.
Regards
Jimmy

 

[Olaf]

So we should sit down, shut up and let you decide what is best for us? An incredibly offensive, insulting post.
We voted leave (which we have a legal RIGHT to do), not for deals or hand wringing BS

No, absolutely not, I said that we should have a People’s vote on it. There is nothing offensive or insulting about allowing the entire voting population of the UK have a final say on their own futures now that there are clear deals on offer for people to make an informed choice from.
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[benjrush]

have our light bulb power decided by Brussels, the power of our hoovers the same.

On a side note. This is a really sensible move. Not necessarily having this dictated to us by Brussels but reducing our energy footprint in order to make the planet (and by extension the country) a better place to live.

Please everyone change to using LED bulbs in high usage areas. They are instant full brightness (unlike the fluorescent ones) and they pay for themselves in a few months, then start saving you money. They also last for 20 years.

Disclaimer: I do not in any way benefit from LED bulb sales!

 

[jimmy milnes]

No, absolutely not, I said that we should have a People’s vote on it. There is nothing offensive or insulting about allowing the entire voting population of the UK have a final say on their own futures now that there are clear deals on offer for people to make an informed choice from.
Kindest regards, Olaf

I have often wondered if this was the plan cooked up between the UK and EU governments not so long after the 2016 vote to democraticallyoverturn a vote neither of them wanted
Regards
Jimmy