So . . . .

[Stevie/P]

who Was it that said east is east and west is west and never the Twain shall meet. So the Eu have shown them self as a bunch of bully’s and the uk leadership as a bunch of sissies we should have never joined the Eu in the first place.

 

[Leadwasp]

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[CarlW]

Mindful of the average SD Member’s age, can any of those who would happily walk away with “no deal” put hand on heart and say this is a preferred approach based on perceived benefit to our children as distinct from furnishing a certain short-lived satisfaction that assuages a veritable cocktail of generational-induced prejudices best not dwelt upon?

K

In any business, you must be prepared to walk away in order to be able to negotiate a good deal. If you 'need to deal', you will always lose.

 

[Roro]

Don't know if anyone has noticed, but its not just the british who have a major problem with the eu, the french have just spent the last month attempting to burn down their capital city trying to get rid of macron the eu stooge.

Italy is in a state of aggression with the eu as is poland, hungary, austria etc. But the eu takes no notice of anyone, except billionare bankers like george soros, any they carry on regardless.

 

[Woodsmoke]

the french have just spent the last month attempting to burn down their capital city trying to get rid of macron the eu stooge

Hmmm. And now a convenient mass-shooter evades capture by escaping in a taxi, forcing the French authorities to flood the streets with armed miltary. What a happy coincidence

 

[Klenchblaize]

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How about:

"Nations should be guided towards the Super-State without their people understanding what is happening." This is now accomplished in one step that is the INTERNET. A mechanism of truly wondrous possibilities yet at once both the opiate of the masses and catalyst for revolution all in a single pill!

K

 

[Chasey]

I voted out for those reasons, I dont give a flying F*** about anything else.
As for your statement, we have more control from within, you have to be joking (or certifiable), it has already been proven beyond any doubt that we have no control over
immigration, and we have no control over the laws we are told to obey.
If the cost of getting out is no deal, closed borders, scotland and ireland leaving the UK for pastures new, so be it.

Neil.

Any analysis of the immigration situation has found we have as a country singularly failed to implement the laws at our disposal AS EU MEMEBERS to control it

THE EU only controls EU citizens and indipendant and government analysis has found we benefit greatly as a country from immigration with the average EU immigrant paying in 75,000 more than he takes out over his working life.

The EU has very little control over immigration from outside the EU borders but its worth noting the UK has one of the lowest uptakes of Asylum seekers in the whole of the EU and the highest rejection rate of asylum seekers.

The facts are in the 70s we started to base our economy on immigration. We import skills rather than invest in training. By the 80s apprentaships were dead and this continues today with things like the governments 100% removal of funding for psychiatric medical training. We simply import trained staff and save on the training cost. We import hard working people who are willing to work for wages UK people wont work for in conditions UK workers refuse to work in.

We have been actively encouraging immigration for 40 years. My uncle had the task of promoting UK immigration when he worked for the foreign office from 1960s through to 1990s

To suggest we have been overrun without being able to stop it is laughable. It was the plan and the plan worked

The EU tried to prevent the importation of cheep labour labour with the Posted Workers Directive. This directive made it illegal to take on workers at lower pay lower standards and with fewer benefits than native people in the same job. Whilst not being the same as migrant workers, the UK still fiercely rejected this directive on the grounds that "It will damage our competitiveness" we have fought against ,ignored and legislated around the PWD since 1996 so the UK can enjoy cheep foreign labour

Control over EU law? We have the same voting power as Germany and we have the undying support of Poland making the UK the single most influential voice in the EU. Which probably explains why over 98% of EU directives were ACTIVLY supported by the UK. The UK also has the right of veto which is why we are not in the Euro and didn't accept the HIPS regulations


Failure of people to do any kind of personal research and total reliance on toilet paper like the Daily Mail and Express has lead to the ill founded beliefs you hold. The media (all media) has failed us in that its seeks ratings above the truth and the more sensational the story, the more it sells.

 

[Chasey]

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How about:

"Nations should be guided towards the Super-State without their people understanding what is happening." This is now accomplished in one step that is the INTERNET. A mechanism of truly wondrous possibilities yet at once both the opiate of the masses and catalyst for revolution all in a single pill!

K

Eventual formation of an EU super state is as inevitable as the sun coming up in the morning.

If you think of the UK divided into 30 fiefdoms each with their own laws rules and systems tiny army's etc etc you would think it a joke.

The UK as a stand alone country outside the EU is just as ridiculous in the mid to long term.

A fantastic analogy of why this is the case is our current situation with Sothern Ireland. A tiny country of 4.5 million is causing major problems for a country of 60+ million. Why? Because its backed by the EU

Its part of the gang and we may be big but we are alone and outnumbered.

IF we want to remain significant against countries the size of China USA Russia etc we should be pushing for a EU Federation with the UK guiding the ship.

Russia is actively trying to prevent this and so is the USA. They dont want the EU becoming a super power of similar strength to them. China hs no one to be afraid off but I am sure even they dont want to be arguing with an EU super state.

Devide and conquer

Basic strategy, along with the biggest kid in the playground makes the rules.

 

[User00025]

On a side note. This is a really sensible move. Not necessarily having this dictated to us by Brussels but reducing our energy footprint in order to make the planet (and by extension the country) a better place to live.

Please everyone change to using LED bulbs in high usage areas. They are instant full brightness (unlike the fluorescent ones) and they pay for themselves in a few months, then start saving you money. They also last for 20 years.

Disclaimer: I do not in any way benefit from LED bulb sales!

Absolutely first class idea, but after you have removed all the towns and cities in Eastern Russia and all the coal fired power stations of the USA and Poland. Also when we are using Tidal power, then it may well be worth it.

 

[benjrush]

Absolutely first class idea, but after you have removed all the towns and cities in Eastern Russia and all the coal fired power stations of the USA and Poland. Also when we are using Tidal power, then it may well be worth it.

Seriously, it's worth it right now. It saves you money, and helps to reduce your energy footprint. If everyone makes a small change then it can make a difference.
That said, you make a very valid point about coal power etc. but that is something that is out of our control. If we all refuse to act because our actions wont have as much of an effect as someone elses, then nothing will change for the better.

 

[User00025]

There are at least two sides to this argument. I am very much of the remain view as frankly being part of a large trading block is best for the UK. I am involved in financing grwoing technology businesses and can absolutely see the benefits of being part of a larger community. I am of anglo-saxon origin, albeit of probably Hugoneot extraction but born to overseas, albeit all grandparents and mother were born in Britain. I have always held a British passport for the last 35 years (ie ever since I have had a passport) but everytime I renew it I have to justify being here. Frankly if I applied today I would n't get a British passport because the controls on British passports are very tight.

There is lots of shouting lets leave Europe with a hard BREXIT. Lets look at stalking as an example.

How it will affect Imports:

So Rifles and Shotguns - take a Tikka, Sako, Blaser, CZ, Beretta - all from the EU. Currently can be traded with no import tarriffs.

After Hard Brexit - 3.2% import duty, plus VAT at 20% -. Other firearms and similar devices which operate by the firing of an explosive charge (for example, sporting shotguns and rifles, muzzle-loading firearms, Very pistols and other devices designed to project only signal flares, pistols and revolvers for firing blank ammunition, captive-bolt humane killers, line-throwing guns) - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK

Ammunition - ie RWS, Norma, Sako etc - 2.7% Import Duty plus VAT at 20% - Bombs, grenades, torpedoes, mines, missiles and similar munitions of war and parts thereof; cartridges and other ammunition and projectiles and parts thereof, including shot and cartridge wads - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK

Optics - ie Sawarovski, Zeiss, Leica, Meopta etc - 4.2% Import Duty plus VAT at 20% - Other instruments - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK

No bear in mind that the importer has to pay the tariffs and any VAT at time of import and before they are released from Customs (or have in place a customs bond or use a trade finance facility - these cost c2% per month for funds outstanding), so you will be adding further costs on here. Have a look at the markup currently on say a Remington in the US, versus the cost here, and start applying that to all the Sako's, Tikkas, Berretta's etc.


In terms of Exports:

The bulk of our venison is exported to the EU - Game meat is at 0% Tarrif - Of game, other than of rabbits or hares - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK - so not making much difference there.

By the way sea fish and shell fish are subject to EU duties of 10 to 18% depending upon species - that's just added 10 to 18% to the cost of all the Scottish produced exports that go the EU. Crustaceans, whether in shell or not, live, fresh, chilled, frozen, dried, salted or in brine; smoked crustaceans, whether in shell or not, whether or not cooked before or during the smoking process; crustaceans, in shell, cooked by steaming or by boiling in water, whether or not chilled, frozen, dried, salted or in brine; flours, meals and pellets of crustaceans, fit for human consumption - Trade Tariff - GOV.UK


I could go on, but most won't listen, but they will be the first to whinge when prices go up. Oh and if you live in Scotland we will all be taxed higher, so have less money to spend.

So all these people will not want to sell us their guns, medicines, wines, cars, cheese anymore will they.
And they won't want to buy anything from us.
Get real! Trade will carry on just the same with very little difference after a short period, they need us a little more than we need them and there will be even more riots in Europe if their governments don't play ball.

 

[Mossypaw]

The opinion of a Belgian businessman over here stalking surprised me, he couldn’t wait for us to leave and reckoned that Poland would be next and that it would eventually collapse. He detested the EU,as did a lot of his fellow countrymen, as he put it, “New York is four times the size of Belgium, New York has 1 mayor, Belgium has 320.”

 

[Roro]

Eventual formation of an EU super state is as inevitable as the sun coming up in the morning.

If you think of the UK divided into 30 fiefdoms each with their own laws rules and systems tiny army's etc etc you would think it a joke.

The UK as a stand alone country outside the EU is just as ridiculous in the mid to long term.

A fantastic analogy of why this is the case is our current situation with Sothern Ireland. A tiny country of 4.5 million is causing major problems for a country of 60+ million. Why? Because its backed by the EU

Its part of the gang and we may be big but we are alone and outnumbered.

IF we want to remain significant against countries the size of China USA Russia etc we should be pushing for a EU Federation with the UK guiding the ship.

Russia is actively trying to prevent this and so is the USA. They dont want the EU becoming a super power of similar strength to them. China hs no one to be afraid off but I am sure even they dont want to be arguing with an EU super state.

Devide and conquer

Basic strategy, along with the biggest kid in the playground makes the rules.

Ireland is flavour of the month in the eu because we are a convienient stick to beat the uk with. The idiots who run ireland are like something from Fr.Ted, they are mouthing the words the eu are telling them to repeat. When the dust settles, we will be back to being a country on the earhole, and somewhere merkel dumps her asylum seekers.

 

[Roro]

The opinion of a Belgian businessman over here stalking surprised me, he couldn’t wait for us to leave and reckoned that Poland would be next and that it would eventually collapse. He detested the EU,as did a lot of his fellow countrymen, as he put it, “New York is four times the size of Belgium, New York has 1 mayor, Belgium has 320.”

Yes i heard the belgians are not too fond of the eu, but didn't really believe that. There is a lot going on that biased media, like the bbc, simply does not report on.

 

[Leadwasp]

History shows that there is a 'steady state' size of power base. Empires come and go in a couple of hundred years yet state sized entities endure. Perhaps this is due to human nature having a set tolerance limit for all the crap. Being 'administered' by one of your own is bad enough but an attempt by someone who does not think in the same cultural way as you is intolerable.

 

[Leadwasp]

Yes i heard the belgians are not too fond of the eu, but didn't really believe that. There is a lot going on that biased media, like the bbc, simply does not report on.

de Gaulle and the 246 varieties of cheese quote springs to mind...........

 

[landkeeper]

Maybe its time for a referendum to decide should the leave /remain question be put to the people again lol

 

[tackb]

It was not a clear instruction to parliament to leave the EU because the leave voteers were completely mislead by various people with a whole set of lies and unfounded assumptions on what leave meant and could achieve.
Personally I would simply terminate article 50 and end the stupid mess as the public should never have been given the opportunity to destroy the UK economy with a pencil.
However because we live in a democracy
A People’s vote on what is now known is the only sensible and right thing to do now.
Kindest regards, Olaf

well yes actually it was ! the question was in or out , really simple , we voted out. both campaigns gilded the lilly as well you know but that's all irrelevant really because the vote was taken and a result was received. if you want to play semantics after the fact explain how it was fair that 9 million of taxpayers money was spent on the remain campaign and no such figure of tax payers money was given to leave ? AND REMEMBER , WE STILL VOTED LEAVE !

 

[Jon Smith]

 

[tackb]

Eventual formation of an EU super state is as inevitable as the sun coming up in the morning.

If you think of the UK divided into 30 fiefdoms each with their own laws rules and systems tiny army's etc etc you would think it a joke.

The UK as a stand alone country outside the EU is just as ridiculous in the mid to long term.

A fantastic analogy of why this is the case is our current situation with Sothern Ireland. A tiny country of 4.5 million is causing major problems for a country of 60+ million. Why? Because its backed by the EU

Its part of the gang and we may be big but we are alone and outnumbered.

IF we want to remain significant against countries the size of China USA Russia etc we should be pushing for a EU Federation with the UK guiding the ship.

Russia is actively trying to prevent this and so is the USA. They dont want the EU becoming a super power of similar strength to them. China hs no one to be afraid off but I am sure even they dont want to be arguing with an EU super state.

Devide and conquer

Basic strategy, along with the biggest kid in the playground makes the rules.

so basically give in to bullys ? you might but I will never give in to bullys !