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Chasey
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Riots?
700.000 turned out to protest Brexit and demand a third referendum on the EU
2,000 turned out to protest the Brexit plan
The government has a responsibility to govern for the best interests of the people. Mays Brexit plan was the unhappy compromise which offered so possibility of stability and minimal fall out, but it was basically a lose for Brexit voters and a lose for remain voters.
Thoughts of renegotiation and claims of "I could have done better" are laughable.
This was always going to be the deal. I believe I said that about 24 hours after the vote in 2016 and gave bullet points to be clear on it.
I was 100% correct in my estimates.
Brexit voters dont want a "deal" they want a hard Brexit
If we get that I would like to think they would own it. Be honest that the suffering is their fault but of course they wont.
You cant expect people who have blamed the EU for everything being honest about who's to blame for whats to come.
Borris and JRM will claim its all Mays fault and They could have done an amazing deel, the hard liners with just blame Europe
It is a great sadness to me that Borris ran and hid behind the sofa when he had the chance to be PM. If we had had a hard line Brexit liar in charge, at least the Brexit voters couldn't simply blame the PM
As for Mog?
Read his fathers book "The Soverign Individual" and be very afraid
QUOTE From the book:
Our desire is to help you take advantage of the opportunities of the new age and to avoid being destroyed by its impact”. The book is a guide for disaster capitalists with a love of disorder, provided they benefit and others take the pain, up to and including the violence that they predict as the “left-behinds” realise they have been taken for a ride and their communities and way of life are under threat. “A time of great danger and great reward.”
700.000 turned out to protest Brexit and demand a third referendum on the EU
2,000 turned out to protest the Brexit plan
The government has a responsibility to govern for the best interests of the people. Mays Brexit plan was the unhappy compromise which offered so possibility of stability and minimal fall out, but it was basically a lose for Brexit voters and a lose for remain voters.
Thoughts of renegotiation and claims of "I could have done better" are laughable.
This was always going to be the deal. I believe I said that about 24 hours after the vote in 2016 and gave bullet points to be clear on it.
I was 100% correct in my estimates.
Brexit voters dont want a "deal" they want a hard Brexit
If we get that I would like to think they would own it. Be honest that the suffering is their fault but of course they wont.
You cant expect people who have blamed the EU for everything being honest about who's to blame for whats to come.
Borris and JRM will claim its all Mays fault and They could have done an amazing deel, the hard liners with just blame Europe
It is a great sadness to me that Borris ran and hid behind the sofa when he had the chance to be PM. If we had had a hard line Brexit liar in charge, at least the Brexit voters couldn't simply blame the PM
As for Mog?
Read his fathers book "The Soverign Individual" and be very afraid
QUOTE From the book:
Our desire is to help you take advantage of the opportunities of the new age and to avoid being destroyed by its impact”. The book is a guide for disaster capitalists with a love of disorder, provided they benefit and others take the pain, up to and including the violence that they predict as the “left-behinds” realise they have been taken for a ride and their communities and way of life are under threat. “A time of great danger and great reward.”
Hornet 6
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I voted out for those reasons, I dont give a flying F*** about anything else.
As for your statement, we have more control from within, you have to be joking (or certifiable), it has already been proven beyond any doubt that we have no control over
immigration, and we have no control over the laws we are told to obey.
If the cost of getting out is no deal, closed borders, scotland and ireland leaving the UK for pastures new, so be it.
Neil.
Stevie/P
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This is wat we want strate talking fancy a job at no 10
Roro
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The eec/common market was a genuinely good idea. We could all trade and do business together. But someone somewhere in the eec decided that "ever closer union" was the way to go. This is not going to work, the countries within are just too diverse, different cultures, outlooks and languages.
Plus you have zee germans, who feel as the biggest country, they should be in control, an example is merkel throwing open the borders to the third world and letting over 1 million flood in. Lunacy.
Plus you have zee germans, who feel as the biggest country, they should be in control, an example is merkel throwing open the borders to the third world and letting over 1 million flood in. Lunacy.
Woodsmoke
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Well now we have the confidence vote this evening, which will give May the perfect example to tuck tail and run. Even if the vote is in her favour, I suspect she's going to use the votes against her to claim she doesn't have unilateral support and resign forthwith. It's the absolute perfect scenario for her. She can claim she did all in her power to get the best deal for the UK, blame in-party dissenters for creating mayhem, and bugger-off sharpish leaving the next idiot to deal with the mess she's created. Just like every other bloody Tory that's infested Number Ten.
Oh yes. And we STILL won't have left the f*cking EU as Article 50 will have been delayed as a result . . . . .
Bet she's rubbing her hands together in delight
Oh yes. And we STILL won't have left the f*cking EU as Article 50 will have been delayed as a result . . . . .
Bet she's rubbing her hands together in delight
All the EU laws are enacted into our constitution - they won't suddenly evaporate overnight. I think there are something like 50,000 that are now an intrinsic part of our country - it's going to be a long and very slow process of debating and agreeing, amending or revoking each one. And it sadly won't be top of the agenda when we have a constitutional crisis to worry about, a falling economy, rising unemployment and trade deals to try and negotiate.
Roro
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Anyone ?
I'm sure we are both citizens of "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" but your post reeks of the classic "Little Englander" mentality.
This no longer 1940 and we are not the only democracy in Europe - the EU has brought peace and stability to the continent and huge economic benefits to most of its citizens
The EU is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but IMHO the benefits of membership outweigh the duties and responsibilities that come with it.
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Bruce
The 'name calling' on here is stupid. There was a democratic vote for leaving the EU, prompted by immigration, sovereignty and a host of other issues which the MAJORITY of the UK population were aware of. The NHS benefit from no contribution was always going to be zero Boris made himself look stupid - no more.
No-one is pooping their pants but the political deficit at a time of critical national importance is mind numbing. The only thing worse is the lack of detailed objective reporting. None of this matters ultimately however, the vote is in, the die is cast, so every politician should bend maximum effort to achieve the best agreement for the Uk or say - no agreement is the best course. They should all be relied on to this end - sadly none can be relied upon.
I don't trust many people these days and politicians least of all, one thing this issue has focused on almost by accident, certainly by default is that we need better politicians and those less motivated by self-interest.
The issue will not prompt revolution but the dire state of politics might.
No-one is pooping their pants but the political deficit at a time of critical national importance is mind numbing. The only thing worse is the lack of detailed objective reporting. None of this matters ultimately however, the vote is in, the die is cast, so every politician should bend maximum effort to achieve the best agreement for the Uk or say - no agreement is the best course. They should all be relied on to this end - sadly none can be relied upon.
I don't trust many people these days and politicians least of all, one thing this issue has focused on almost by accident, certainly by default is that we need better politicians and those less motivated by self-interest.
The issue will not prompt revolution but the dire state of politics might.
Do you mean that anyone can do it or are you asking if anyone has any sensible recommendations? from either side of the debate.
Roro
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The little "french, italian, hungarian, england, german" is on the rise. People are sick of their countries being transformed by immigration and nothing being done about it.
Much as i hate him, bob geldof was asked who he blamed for brexit, it was not the tories or ukip he blamed, but the eu itself, people had voiced their concerns, the likes of haughty junker, merkel, verhofstadt had poo-pooed them and carried on as before.
Roro
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Anyone can do it, she is as weak as water.
owdnorthener
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None of the existing parties are for us, the people of this country.
Now, we have one party in, they cock up, so we vote the other party in and so on and on it goes.
What we do need is a complete change of the system.
But for now, we just walk away and cancel our direct debit to the EU. They will soon be round asking us to trade.
Now, we have one party in, they cock up, so we vote the other party in and so on and on it goes.
What we do need is a complete change of the system.
But for now, we just walk away and cancel our direct debit to the EU. They will soon be round asking us to trade.
Roro
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Why not stick to the old eec model that delivered peace and prosperity (it was the americans really pumping billions into europe under the marshal plan), why do they want a government in brussels that makes national governments obsolete ? I certainly do not want to live in the united states of europe.
Sorry, where has it been proven that we have no control over imigration ? Under EU law we can deport any EU citizens that fail to find work within a 12 week period. It’s just that our Governments have never implemented this law as they saw the genuine and necessary need for migrant workers.
Also, which laws have we no control over , given that the UK has and always has had its Sovereignty?
Kindest regards, Olaf
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