So . . . .

[Jon Smith]

A fine sentiment, but that's not the deal that's on the table. May has done the best deal she could do, Corbyn or that **** Rees Mogg wouldn't have done any better as the EU have a line drawn in the sand and we don't have anything to negotiate with. We are in no mans land and that will not do us any good at all - it was always going to happen, they were never going to give us what we wanted - why would they?

In terms of dealing with whom we like, that will not happen under the current deal. And the EU is 44% of our exports, a bloody big hole to fill which will take us decades to recover. I hear all the quotes about us being a net importer, but it means bugger all. 52% of our imports are from the EU, but that 52% is from 28 countries so a very small issue for each one individually. 44% of our exports vs about 2% of each of theirs on average. They are much more important to us than we are to any of them.

The world is not our oyster. You heard what that **** Trump said when he heard about the deal - "the UK might find it very difficult to trade with the US if they leave the EU". Some special relationship.

Here's a thing, we never voted for a 'deal', anyone who thinks that is the case is a '****' as you delicately put it.

 

[JTO]

Call me a naive closest communist if you feel you want to, .

Nothing like a mis-quote to muddy the water.

 

[Jon Smith]

 

[Klenchblaize]

It’s quite interesting that in all the debate we seldom see reference to the only justifying dialog I recall (as a child) for joining the EEC and no doubt accounted in a significant part for it passing relatively unopposed. The Daily Express being the only media lead exception.

If I recall correctly it wasn't the Common Agricultural Policy or even becoming “mere lookers-on from an off-shore island of dwindling insignificance'' but never again sustaining the loss of a generation in the fields & ditches of Europe.

But I guess we no longer fear war with one or more of our cuurent EU partners so good to jump ship and step-up planning for a no deal? Or should that read cracking-on with rebuilding an empire?

K

 

[JockStalk]

I read the House of Cards trilogy and thought it far fetched.

Not now though.

 

[Klenchblaize]

Love or loathe him, former PM Blair has just said what I've been thinking but couldn't recall the specifics; freedom of movement being just one element:

IF we are compelled to hold a further referendum and with 3 as distinct from just 2 options it should only be after intense negotiation with the EU on the points that prior to the 2016 vote Cameron failed to gain concession.

This of course assumes they can be convinced of the significant value in our remaining.

K

 

[dggowdy]

I think its irrelevant what we want anyway the government will do what they want and just make up lies to suit there needs.

 

[JTO]

We have already voted to leave. Any new referendum should be Deal or No-Deal. Any three-way choice will result in Brexit being canceled.
It seems strange that' No-Deal was better than a Bad Deal' for two years, but now 'Any Deal is better than No-Deal'.

 

[Stevie/P]

The whole thing as confirmed my suspicion that all politicians are the biggest shower of conmen you’ll ever have the misfortune to ever come across

 

[Hornet 6]

There is nothing offensive or insulting about allowing the entire voting population of the UK have a final say on their own futures now that there are clear deals on offer for people to make an informed choice from.
Kindest regards, Olaf

Yes there is, we had a referendum, the population that were interested voted, the result was out.
Having another insults all those who voted first time around, and also goes a long way to proving that we do not live in a democratic society.
Democracy only works in this country so long as the evil dishonest lying scum bags in charge agree

Neil.

 

[Hornet 6]

Mindful of the average SD Member’s age, can any of those who would happily walk away with “no deal” put hand on heart and say this is a preferred approach based on perceived benefit to our children as distinct from furnishing a certain short-lived satisfaction that assuages a veritable cocktail of generational-induced prejudices best not dwelt upon?

K

I voted out, I wasn't expecting a deal, I wanted home rule, and for us to be able to trade with the rest of the world as we and they see fit.
I didn't want to be forced into being part of europe, it isn't a place i have ever wanted to visit, it is also the source of a large proportion of our legal immigrants who are either claiming benefits and or are active villains, either here, or where ever they are now running from.
Did my vote take any consideration of the younger generations, no, nobody considered my future all this years ago when we entered the common market.
The younger generation need to stand on their own two feet, as we did, their turn to vote on these things, or to be taken for fools is still to come.

Neil.

 

[Hornet 6]

Failure of people to do any kind of personal research and total reliance on toilet paper like the Daily Mail and Express has lead to the ill founded beliefs you hold. The media (all media) has failed us in that its seeks ratings above the truth and the more sensational the story, the more it sells.

I need nobody to tell me how it really is, including you.
I want home rule, I want no part of the eu, I want no eu immigrants, and I want no part of a government who is scared to do what it needs because of threats from the eu.
Or governments failure to stop illegal immigrants arriving is not helped by the eu giving them free passage through with, or without a passport.
We have a government full of people being paid far more than they should, for doing far less than they should, who want that to carry on for as long as possible.

 

[Hornet 6]

People who think the EU is a great idea

Should immediately move to continental Europe, and leave all who love this country to live in peace.

Neil.

 

[Stevie/P]

Should immediately move to continental Europe, and leave all who love this country to live in peace.

Neil.

If they do that who is going to tuck them up in bed at night and read a bed time story .

 

[User00025]

Well worth watching, says it all, most unusual to hear frank observations on the subjects that everybody is scared to talk about.
Well posted Jon.

 

[Jon Smith]

The whole thing as confirmed my suspicion that all politicians are the biggest shower of conmen you’ll ever have the misfortune to ever come across

Unfortunately 'suspicion' never really enters into it. Career politicians should never be allowed the job.

 

[Jon Smith]

Well worth watching, says it all, most unusual to hear frank observations on the subjects that everybody is scared to talk about.
Well posted Jon.

Personally don't care much for sour grapes of assam but Lord Pearson was refreshingly forthright.

 

[Klenchblaize]

I voted out, I wasn't expecting a deal, I wanted home rule, and for us to be able to trade with the rest of the world as we and they see fit.
I didn't want to be forced into being part of europe, it isn't a place i have ever wanted to visit, it is also the source of a large proportion of our legal immigrants who are either claiming benefits and or are active villains, either here, or where ever they are now running from.
Did my vote take any consideration of the younger generations, no, nobody considered my future all this years ago when we entered the common market.
The younger generation need to stand on their own two feet, as we did, their turn to vote on these things, or to be taken for fools is still to come.

Neil.

I'm not sure how old you are but wheather leaving proves beneficial or not I'm convinced neither you nor I will live long enough to make a meaningful call. Therfore what we are discussing today is very much about the impact to other than the SD generation and frankly to consider otherwise is incredibly selfish.

As with global warming we need make the right decisions now.

K

 

[User00025]

Ok no deal to suit and hanging about before a vote on it, what a stupid woman. Just get out now!
That idiot running Eire wants stuffing with a Ragman's trumpet, ragged end first. He doesn't want a hard Border yet he does want a Border, Make your mind up Jackeen if you want one put it in, if you don't, shut the f... up, cos I am seriously P....d with you
and the subterranean threats of more troubles.

 

[Olaf]

In any business, you must be prepared to walk away in order to be able to negotiate a good deal. If you 'need to deal', you will always lose.

Exactly, we still have access to our very good original agreement if article 50 is scrapped.
Having a no deal departure from the Eu will put us in the most pathetic possible position when it comes to attempting trade agreements with only WTO rules.