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[CarlW]

Exactly, we still have access to our very good original agreement if article 50 is scrapped.
Having a no deal departure from the Eu will put us in the most pathetic possible position when it comes to attempting trade agreements with only WTO rules.

Why would we scrap article 50? We are leaving. You need to get used to that fact.

 

[Stevie/P]

Exactly, we still have access to our very good original agreement if article 50 is scrapped.
Having a no deal departure from the Eu will put us in the most pathetic possible position when it comes to attempting trade agreements with only WTO rules.

Please tell us all how you know this.

 

[Olaf]

Any analysis of the immigration situation has found we have as a country singularly failed to implement the laws at our disposal AS EU MEMEBERS to control it

THE EU only controls EU citizens and indipendant and government analysis has found we benefit greatly as a country from immigration with the average EU immigrant paying in 75,000 more than he takes out over his working life.

The EU has very little control over immigration from outside the EU borders but its worth noting the UK has one of the lowest uptakes of Asylum seekers in the whole of the EU and the highest rejection rate of asylum seekers.

The facts are in the 70s we started to base our economy on immigration. We import skills rather than invest in training. By the 80s apprentaships were dead and this continues today with things like the governments 100% removal of funding for psychiatric medical training. We simply import trained staff and save on the training cost. We import hard working people who are willing to work for wages UK people wont work for in conditions UK workers refuse to work in.

We have been actively encouraging immigration for 40 years. My uncle had the task of promoting UK immigration when he worked for the foreign office from 1960s through to 1990s

To suggest we have been overrun without being able to stop it is laughable. It was the plan and the plan worked

The EU tried to prevent the importation of cheep labour labour with the Posted Workers Directive. This directive made it illegal to take on workers at lower pay lower standards and with fewer benefits than native people in the same job. Whilst not being the same as migrant workers, the UK still fiercely rejected this directive on the grounds that "It will damage our competitiveness" we have fought against ,ignored and legislated around the PWD since 1996 so the UK can enjoy cheep foreign labour

Control over EU law? We have the same voting power as Germany and we have the undying support of Poland making the UK the single most influential voice in the EU. Which probably explains why over 98% of EU directives were ACTIVLY supported by the UK. The UK also has the right of veto which is why we are not in the Euro and didn't accept the HIPS regulations


Failure of people to do any kind of personal research and total reliance on toilet paper like the Daily Mail and Express has lead to the ill founded beliefs you hold. The media (all media) has failed us in that its seeks ratings above the truth and the more sensational the story, the more it sells.

So very true, a superbly written post. Good on you mate.
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[Olaf]

Please tell us all how you know this.

It’s basic common sense and based on facts that you can glean from all of the valid economic forecasts that have been made.
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[tom308w]

every economic forecast that has been done has been wrong

 

[Stevie/P]

It’s basic common sense and based on facts that you can glean from all of the valid economic forecasts that have been made.
Kindest regards, Olaf

Forecasts it that not a best guess

 

[Olaf]

well yes actually it was ! the question was in or out , really simple , we voted out. both campaigns gilded the lilly as well you know but that's all irrelevant really because the vote was taken and a result was received. if you want to play semantics after the fact explain how it was fair that 9 million of taxpayers money was spent on the remain campaign and no such figure of tax payers money was given to leave ? AND REMEMBER , WE STILL VOTED LEAVE !

Yes and the leave campaign had so much money thrown at it that they greatly overspent and are being investigated for it too.
Possibly one of the most laughable arguments I’ve heard yet.

 

[jimmy milnes]

Yes and the leave campaign had so much money thrown at it that they greatly overspent and are being investigated for it too.
Possibly one of the most laughable arguments I’ve heard yet.

Olaf, you can't possibly expect me or anyone else to believe that the remain camp told us 100% the truth !
Regards
Jimmy

 

[deeangeo]

Having a no deal departure from the Eu will put us in the most pathetic possible position when it comes to attempting trade agreements with only WTO rules.

This pure guessing.
No one knows that will be the case and frankly like most, whether leave or remain camp, you’re not going to know what will happen until the UK has left.
Economists, bankers and politicians have not the slightest clue any more than the rest of the population.

 

[Olaf]

Yes there is, we had a referendum, the population that were interested voted, the result was out.
Having another insults all those who voted first time around, and also goes a long way to proving that we do not live in a democratic society.
Democracy only works in this country so long as the evil dishonest lying scum bags in charge agree

Neil.

So, does that mean that we should also be saddled with an elected government party for ever just because there was an election and people voted them in, because to hold another election 3 or 4 years later would be so undemocratic ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

 

[benjrush]

We have already voted to leave. Any new referendum should be Deal or No-Deal. Any three-way choice will result in Brexit being canceled.

This is an interesting stance, you say that a 3 way choice would lead us to stay in the EU. Does that mean that you think the majority of the country would now (now they have more of an idea what brexit might look like) vote to stay? In which case, leaving would be undemocratic as the majority now don't want it.

Maybe we should find out what the country thinks again!?

 

[Roro]

I seem to recall at the time of the euro currency rollout, when the uk did not join, all the experts saying it would be disaster for the uk economy, that the economy would crash, that the uk would be a third world country. Turns out the so-called experts were completely wrong.

 

[Roro]

So, does that mean that we should also be saddled with an elected government party for ever just because there was an election and people voted them in, because to hold another election 3 or 4 years later would be so undemocratic ?
Kindest regards, Olaf

Well its the european way. We in ireland were told in not one, but two referendums "you gave the wrong answer, vote again" and "you will continue to vote until you give the answer we want". Very democratic, not.

 

[JTO]

This is an interesting stance, you say that a 3 way choice would lead us to stay in the EU. Does that mean that you think the majority of the country would now (now they have more of an idea what brexit might look like) vote to stay? In which case, leaving would be undemocratic as the majority now don't want it.

No, I mean that the LEAVE vote would be split.

 

[Olaf]

Why would we scrap article 50? We are leaving. You need to get used to that fact.

No I don’t.

 

[benjrush]

No, I mean that the LEAVE vote would be split.

Would it not be a single transferable vote though if there were three options?

 

[JTO]

Would it not be a single transferable vote though if there were three options?

Who knows!

 

[User00025]

Exactly, we still have access to our very good original agreement if article 50 is scrapped.
Having a no deal departure from the Eu will put us in the most pathetic possible position when it comes to attempting trade agreements with only WTO rules.

You are like the boy crying Wolf. I have been in this air raid shelter for two years now and still after innumerable warnings the sky stays where it is and doesn't fall in. I haven't seen one swarm of locusts the local river is still water and no blood and the cows seem ok. The only pathetic position is that shown by all you chicken's in the henhouse.

 

[CarlW]

No I don’t.

Laughing. Good answer!

 

[tackb]

Seeing as we have equal voting power to Germany and France and under EU rules any three of the main players can push through a ruling but NOT any two plus Germany, what makes you believe for one milli second that the EU can or could bully us in the past?

Now we are out of the way from the negotiations, they WILL at last be able to bully us because they will be the big powerful organisation and we will be the considerably smaller under dogs with no direct say in anything.

THATS the reality we now face.

This will become apparent in a very short period of time. Right now we have just adopted all EU law into UK law but any thoughts that this will suddenly stop and we will be able to ignore future key directives from the EU is laughable.

More importantly, the past EU legislation has for the most part been beneficial to the UK. We supported over 98% of it, so why would we even want to contest future legislation?

I have asked it before but here is a list of EU directives

Tell me the top 10 your against and why?

List of European Union directives - Wikipedia

I was responding to your biggest guy in the playground makes the rules comment , not asking to be quizzed about my reasons for leaving. stick to the subject.