So . . . .

[Jon Smith]

Hard brexit is what we voted for, no faffing around with deals.

 

[armo.]

The obvious solution to the backstop problem is repeal of the 1920 Government of Ireland act, for the Republic of Ireland to apologise profusely to HMG for their past ingratitude and disloyalty, after which we will re-integrate the 26 Irish counties back into the UK. At a stroke, that also settles the Irish re-unification question. Win-Win.

 

[Jon Smith]

 

[bowji john]

Agreed but we won't get it from this Parliament

Stitch up imminent

 

[Roro]

That dreadful nancy we have running Ireland at the minute, is merely a puppet of the eu. They have their hand up his backside working him. He keeps chanting the same lines, "we are at the heart of europe". Are we hell. They saddled us with 200bn in debt only a decade ago. I hope it backfires on him and that will be the last we see of him.

The reason the irish are so enamoured of the eu is because there are no dissenting voices here, not even token opposition, thats because the media is either controlled by the government, or owned by billionaire Denis O'Brien, who is cheek by jowel with the eu, as well as supporting the government party.

 

[armo.]

That dreadful nancy we have running Ireland at the minute, is merely a puppet of the eu. They have their hand up his backside working him. He keeps chanting the same lines, "we are at the heart of europe". Are we hell. They saddled us with 200bn in debt only a decade ago. I hope it backfires on him and that will be the last we see of him.

The reason the irish are so enamoured of the eu is because there are no dissenting voices here, not even token opposition, thats because the media is either controlled by the government, or owned by billionaire Denis O'Brien, who is cheek by jowel with the eu, as well as supporting the government party.

I have never worked out why the Irish were so vociferous in their opposition to British rule and so proud to be independence but surrender that same independence while warmly embracing EU rule. Why is that?

 

[Roro]

I have never worked out why the Irish were so vociferous in their opposition to British rule and so proud to be independence but surrender that same independence while warmly embracing EU rule. Why is that?

I have no clue, but suggest money is the answer. There was a gravy train for fat cats here, farmers got generous subsidies, big building projects were paid for by the eu, which made cronies of the government rich, and by slashing our corporate tax rates, we got large american multinationals to set their european bases up here.

 

[JTO]

I have never worked out why the Irish were so vociferous in their opposition to British rule and so proud to be independence but surrender that same independence while warmly embracing EU rule. Why is that?

I suppose you could say the same about Scotland.

 

[Pine Marten]

I suppose you could say the same about Scotland.

Because in the case of the EU, Ireland and Scotland chose to join. And amongst other things, it has indeed made them wealthier. And they'd quite like to keep it that way, thank you very much.

 

[Roro]

Because in the case of the EU, Ireland and Scotland chose to join. And amongst other things, it has indeed made them wealthier. And they'd quite like to keep it that way, thank you very much.

I want out, or at least a return to the eec days. I want to live in a country, not a county of europe.

 

[finnbear270]

EEC would be a great option for most.

 

[african jack]

Pine Marten read your post number 1041 page 53 and had a panic attack thought I had logged in to Mumsnet by mistake

 

[Stevie/P]

I have never worked out why the Irish were so vociferous in their opposition to British rule and so proud to be independence but surrender that same independence while warmly embracing EU rule. Why is that?

probable something to do with potatos

 

[finnbear270]

Should have grown Maris Piper.

 

[Olaf]

Portugal vows no visas for Britons in no-deal Brexit - minister — Reuters

 

[finnbear270]

Portugal vows no visas for Britons in no-deal Brexit - minister — Reuters

So their treaty is annulled?

 

[jimmy milnes]

Portugal vows no visas for Britons in no-deal Brexit - minister — Reuters

Never been but seeing as they're being sensible about things I may well stick it on my list of places to visit when I retired..

 

[bowji john]

I've been once

When driving some of the B roads through woodland my wife and I were amazed by the number of young ladies sitting on chairs in clearings painting

Those were the days - we were so naive

 

[Blakey]

I have never worked out why the Irish were so vociferous in their opposition to British rule and so proud to be independence but surrender that same independence while warmly embracing EU rule. Why is that?

Maybe this might answer your question.
Inverse opposite to what British rule did for Ireland.

The Richest Countries in the World (2017-2022) Pro

 

[armo.]

Maybe this might answer your question.
Inverse opposite to what British rule did for Ireland.

The Richest Countries in the World (2017-2022) Pro

GDP per capita being the amount of finished goods and services produced, divided by the size of the population. In this case massively skewed by Ireland a) hosting multiple European HQs of large multinationals, which flow capital through that country for tax avoidance reasons. b) a very small population to average that capital across.

ROI is a great place but the general populace suffer many problems through cost of living, homelessness, access to affordable healthcare and low income, particularly outside the urban centres. As in most Western countries, it is the elite, ruling class that collaborate to take wealth for themselves and subvert the democratic inclinations of the population. I repeat my question, worded differently - why have arch Irish republicans like Sinn Fein swapped their insular 250 year old ideal of Irish nationalism for wholehearted unionist support of an anti-democratic institution like the EU?