Wise words, even though it's quite simple. Did you go on a course. It made me laugh
Deer calibers and bullets, Meat loss?
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Wise words, even though it's quite simple. Did you go on a course. It made me laugh
After the appropriate rifle/bullet/scope/etc combo has been selected to do the job it's up to the operator to shoot within their capabilities and their equipments and environmental limitations. Things do go wrong but thankfully it is rare. I agree that getting another shot into the beast is one way and if it is not possible then following up with the dog is another.
kenbro
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That's exactally what I said. It wasn't your falt that you missed, but now it's running away and all you have is your 243. That's enough for your small exotics and probably, with the right bullet roe. What it's probably not enough for is the others. capt david
There is a bullet that is gaurenteed to strait after hitting something. It also has a BC above 600 and will perfectly mushroom from 1100fps to 3000fps. they are having a problem with sales. At $ 963.45 each no one is buying!!!
capt davod
foxdropper
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Your writing like an novice mate and preaching to those who actually do a bit with the 243 on all 6 species we have to offer .That's exactally what I said. It wasn't your falt that you missed, but now it's running away and all you have is your 243. That's enough for your small exotics and probably, with the right bullet roe. What it's probably not enough for is the others. capt david
There is a bullet that is gaurenteed to strait after hitting something. It also has a BC above 600 and will perfectly mushroom from 1100fps to 3000fps. they are having a problem with sales. At $ 963.45 each no one is buying!!!
capt davod
Matt Roberts
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I think what he’s trying to say is that Bob Hagel is one of many people with an opinion, of which we’re all entitled, but just because he manages to get his published doesn’t make him right. ‘Not having enough gun’ could also be cynically seen as a euphemism for ‘I made a bad shot but it wasn’t my fault’. You say you take around 5 animals a year and that’s great, but given your restrictive tag system I wouldn’t be surprised if you wanted to make every one count... and are therefore maybe tempted to ‘have a go’ anyway in less than perfect circumstances. Not you personally maybe but one flick on YouTube at US hunting and you’ll get the picture. Now Foxdropper, whilst he had let-up a bit now he knocking on, still takes a shed load of deer a year, muntjac to reds, all with not enough gun..a .243.
Fortunately for me I have wounded, and lost, less than ten deer. I'm 70 and killed my first at 14. I have taken only a couple of shots, with a rifle at running unwounded deer. One I missed, one I killed, both with a rest. Both shot at when I was young. I have only made two shots off hand, one was a kill. All my other shots were made using a rest. I have made 5-6 marginal shots. To me that is a shot around 300yds. All were one shot kills. I have probably shot at ten or so wounded, running deer. Non were wounded by me. One I killed several were hit by who knows who. I have always tried to take 100% shots, I've missed a few, As I grow older I mainly hunt pigs and does. I try to keep my shots under 150yds. I've been lucky lately. capt david
Well @foxdropper I see the lads are upsetting themselves again, and I didn't even have to say a word!
Dodgy, you're back!
Pretty simple to my mind. High BC 130 to 150 grain bonded bullet at 2800 to 2900 fps and you have ultimate flexibility. Shoot at 20 meters to 400 meters with acceptable damage and good killing power. Neck, head, chest, shoulder, even a texas if you have to, and the bullet will cope. You're never over gunned and never under gunned. Limit yourself to 6mm shooting 90 or 100 grain and you reduce your options.
foxdropper
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Not meant to be insulting ,just an observation .
You’ll know when I insult you .
foxdropper
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As long as everyone is happy and keeps it real what is there to argue about .If any body doubts the effectiveness of the .243 then invite me out for some in field demonstration ,can’t say fairer than that .Ill even let you show me how strong you are and drag it to my truck ,now there’s an offer eh .
Sonicdmb73
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I am back! With a vengeance! And what a good time I've had. Just a quick half-time break before we're back into it.
Here's a photo from the trip, completely on topic for once... in the interests of meat damage avoidance...
....don't shoot them at all!
Ha! Had ya going there didn't I! We didn't get a single kill on the scope cam, as when the right animal presented itself, we were never set up. But a lot of observation was done, with a couple of very cool videos captured.
Great fun with the scope cam.
Here's a photo from the trip, completely on topic for once... in the interests of meat damage avoidance...
....don't shoot them at all!
Ha! Had ya going there didn't I! We didn't get a single kill on the scope cam, as when the right animal presented itself, we were never set up. But a lot of observation was done, with a couple of very cool videos captured.
Great fun with the scope cam.
Jagare
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There should be a list of hunting myths. Like. .243 is to small for larger deer in the UK. Or using a larger caliber to allows for a margin of error. Bore snakes will bugger up the crown of your rifle and most likely cost you a new barrel. I'never worried about meat damage. Take off the haunches, back straps and salvage what you can from the front half. The dogs will eat the scrap.
Sonicdmb73
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You missed off shoots like a laser.
243 is no good in the wind.
And probably a load more, many repeated as gospel in the sporting press. No wonder people believe them.
Jagare
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Not forgetting a single shot is no good for stalking. Photo's copied from paper photo's when i still lived in the UK. .243 Ruger #1 international. sadly .243 is a class 2 weapon in Sweden and can only be used on roe and beaver and the like, but we do have moose so it stops the over enthusiastic from taking shots at moose. Also .308, 6.5 ect practice ammo is cheap here.
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I would definitely be happy to use the same bullet for both muntjac and red stags... there are literally dozens of bullets that are brilliant for that weight range.
It will kill it for sure, but, in honesty, I’ve taken over a dozen big (350lb+) mature stags with a 243 and 100g Norma SP and partitions, and they died, yes, but expiry time wasn’t humane imho, and even with perfect shots far too many required 2nd (or more) follow up shots.
I took well over a hundred head with my first 243, but I have to say with entire honesty, I feel roe and maybe red yearlings or calves are the limits of its humane killing powers.
I also shot many stags that does quickly with the 243, but too many did not. The 30-06 solved this problem once and for all, as did the 7x57 both stoked with partitions or Norma
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