DMQ Wild boar qualification

[TH4]

We are living in a more and more litigious society, where everybody and his uncle wants to sue each other and claim compensation. If something goes wrong and somebody gets hurt, if the shooter has no qualifications he is on the back foot to start with and so is the land owner. I am not saying it's right or fair but that is the way of the world now.

 

[Orion]

The DMQ evolved from the Woodland Stalkers Certificate that was around in the 1970s.

And BASC were firmly in the driving seat as they still are.

 

[VSS]

So, I am amazed at how many have said boar are un regulated and it should stay that way! that stinks as a attitude. Boar should be treated with respect and not as a target. They are seriously abused by British hunters and it time they were regulated the same as deer. Then if someone is caught doing wrong they can be prosecuted. Do I think there should be a BSc , no I don't. But I am rapidly starting to think that there should be national certs for all forms of hunting, that need to be taken before someone is allowed to shoot any living creature. Some of the things Ive seen in the field, and I not alone, a just wrong.

So maybe we need tighter legislation for rabbits too? And rats?
I don't think so. There is already animal welfare legislation in place that gives all animals protection against cruelty, and any shooter who violates that legislation can be prosecuted, whether it's boar or rats.

Adding additional raft of legislation to boar would just turn it into another elitist branch of shooting sports.
I look at this from the point of view of a landowner. If feral boar were to turn up on my land, it should be up to me whether or not they get shot (or trapped), when, and by who, depending on the level of crop / habitat damage that I would be prepared to tolerate in return for having a new addition to our native fauna (which, Incidentally, I welcome), and whether I was interested in cashing in on the sporting element, or maybe just enjoy shooting a few myself. I don't need any additional legislation over and above what already exists to help me make those decisions. And neither would I want someone coming along claiming that they were one of the few people who are "qualified" to shoot boar, and that I'd better hand the management over to them...

Anyone who's grown up and sensible enough to be trusted with a firearm in our crowded country out to be capable of self regulation.

 

[8x57]

And BASC were firmly in the driving seat as they still are.

I'm not certain but I believe the origins were actually in the BDS and the St Hubert's Club.

 

[User00003]

Change isn't always bad - smoking on flights?...cell phones whilst driving?? I recall growing up sitting in the back seat of the car with no seatbelts needed, Mother was puffing away in the front seat on her fags, windows closed, I probably had a pocket knife I was using to widdle something with out of wood at the time too..age 4-7 ish....sometimes change isn't always bad

 

[CarlW]

1. Use something with a little more poke than a 22 Hornet
2. Be sure of your backstop
3. Don't shoot them on the run
4. Purchase a suitable knife:

Sold: - Tops Wild Pig Hunter

A Beast of a Knife: As new with sheath. £175 including P&P. K

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

K

May I have my badge now, please?

 

[potshotpat]

The French also have stringent training and testing arrangements in place too, which are very similar to the German and various Scandinavian schemes. It is necessary to pass the written examination and practical tests in order to obtain a Permis de Chasse. I don't know anything about the Italian system.

I've shot Boar abroad and wasn't asked for any qualifications, so Im assuming most European Countries to be the same as in somebody from here going for say a weekend driven Boar would not require the local certificates etc. The same as Europeans coming here for Deer Stalking on land that would require DSC1or2 for a local to shoot on.

 

[VSS]

Change isn't always bad - smoking on flights?...cell phones whilst driving?? I recall growing up sitting in the back seat of the car with no seatbelts needed, Mother was puffing away in the front seat on her fags, windows closed, I probably had a pocket knife I was using to widdle something with out of wood at the time too..age 4-7 ish....sometimes change isn't always bad

Agreed, apart from the pocket knife bit. All kids should have been issued with a decent pocket knife by the time they're 7 years old

 

[levigsp]

As you don't know the circumstances as to why I had to restrain the agitated animal I suggest you don't class it as arrogance......I potentially saved a work colleague from life threatening injuries by my actions..no arrogance..... just instinct and a sound knowledge of the animal and livestock handling and restraint in general.
No person or animal was harmed.....
If you feel I shouldn't of taken action and let a female colleague get her leg seriously bitten and gouged by 3 inch long tusks and maybe worse..... then I'm sure you're the one who could be classed as arrogant an have others not like it.

And as for the rest of my post......light heartedness and nothing more.

So The arrogance was not that you did it, and well done by the way. I thought you arrogant for saying "I'm likely the only person in the uk who knows how to manually restrain an agitated boar sow that weighs more than I do.... " there are few people who not only know how but have done it more than once.

 

[Klenchblaize]

May I have my badge now, please?

No, but I can 'move' (a little) on the price of the must-have BMQL2 approved knife for a respected SD Member such as your goodself.

K

 

[8x57]

I've shot Boar abroad and wasn't asked for any qualifications, so Im assuming most European Countries to be the same as in somebody from here going for say a weekend driven Boar would not require the local certificates etc. The same as Europeans coming here for Deer Stalking on land that would require DSC1or2 for a local to shoot on.

The requirement in France if even for only a weekend one off shoot is that visitors must hold a temporary Permis de Chasse and one of the requirements of obtaining this from the regional hunting association is to demonstrate adequate insurance cover. Any shoot in France that does not carry out checks to ensure that the shooter has the necessary Permis de Chasse is playing with fire because the legal penalties for non compliance can be quite serious.

 

[.270]

I really don't know why you're all getting so upset. BASC will be along any minute to tell us all how they're fighting our corner. Any minute.

Yep, any minute now . . .

Don't you believe it. BASC could be the ones behind this for making more money out of you. Along with the BDS

 

[NoIDeer]

Simple solution to this is to change DSC into large game hunting and including feral pigs and goats. Doesn't need another course.

 

[VSS]

Simple solution to this is to change DSC into large game hunting and including feral pigs and goats. Doesn't need another course.

The fact that that hasn't happened anyway, by natural progression, does support the theory that the introduction of a brand new course is driven by economics.

 

[SDM]

I know Monarman very well and I've met the said girl in this incident 5ft 2" and of slight build and yes maybe a slight air of arrogance but who can say they've wrestled a wild boar /feral pig so until there is some sort of legislation on calibre for boar as for seasons I would like see one at least people showing respect for sows with young at foot as with muntjac same respect with young.
So how a BMQ can justified I'm un sure how it could be, but if i were asked to do the course by the powers that be (Employers) then I would be on it not saying I agree but I would be on it each to there own opinion I shoot 270/ 308 some people dont like em I do my opinion so let's not have another thread going into a bun fight or i may start issuing ASQ certs out they £100

Regards SDM

 

[8x57]

Simple solution to this is to change DSC into large game hunting and including feral pigs and goats. Doesn't need another course.

You mean an all encompassing shooters course and examinations/tests similar to those that have been operating in many other European countries for decades?

 

[Klenchblaize]

That’s an immediate fail for many of us then!

I slipped that one in for good reason.

K

 

[NoIDeer]

You mean an all encompassing shooters course and examinations/tests similar to those that have been operating in many other European countries for decades?

Immediate thought is to add other large game into the current course. At the end you have a ticket to put goats and pigs into the food chain so it is an obvious omission to exclude them already?

 

[finnbear270]

Already have mine! ., It's called a Jagdschein.

 

[.270]

We are living in a more and more litigious society, where everybody and his uncle wants to sue each other and claim compensation. If something goes wrong and somebody gets hurt, if the shooter has no qualifications he is on the back foot to start with and so is the land owner. I am not saying it's right or fair but that is the way of the world now.

Any DSC Certs are NOT a Legal Requirement in British Law, or the Qualifications. They are both Worthless. Any Government or body tell you must have one of these Qualifications before you can shoot Deer is open to redress of Discrimination in a Court of Law