Dog food
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reloader54
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discussions on dog food can get quite heated at times, I fed dry food once,a long while ago, I believed I was doing the best for my dogs, after extensive research I discovered that was not the case, It would fill this forum and much of is is not pleasant reading, some of the video evidence is mortifying. I now feed raw, human grade food, meat, beef,chicken,rabbit,duck,venison, squirrel, tripe,bone [ground and whole depending on type] liver,kidney,heart,fish, raw eggs in shell, a small amount of cooked and raw veg and the resultant liquid, in addition to chunks of carrot as treats,seasonal fruit in small amounts, [my dogs will browse on blackberry's and wild cherries even apples and pears on their own] I had up till a few years ago a Rottweiler and a Dogue de Bordeaux both live to be teenagers, my vet who's family breeds Rotties informs me that's almost unheard of as most don't attain double figures, I believe in results, both my dogs are in peak condition and well balanced. their coats are perfect, eyes clear and their general demeanour exudes good canine health.
you have a choice to make and you must as sauer says, make your own mind up for you and your dog.
you have a choice to make and you must as sauer says, make your own mind up for you and your dog.
wildfowler.250
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One thing to mention is that there is a much greater public health risk feeding raw food as far as salmonella / campylobacter ect.
Theres also studies shown which highlight that two people following the same recipe will often end up with a slightly different end product ie the nutritional quality can vary quite a lot.
You can feed raw, kibble or a mix of raw and kibble. There’s no right nor wrong. But I personally don’t know of many vets that feed their pets a raw diet
Theres also studies shown which highlight that two people following the same recipe will often end up with a slightly different end product ie the nutritional quality can vary quite a lot.
You can feed raw, kibble or a mix of raw and kibble. There’s no right nor wrong. But I personally don’t know of many vets that feed their pets a raw diet
reloader54
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must be harrowing for some to gralloch a deer. 
reloader54
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but I bet a few are familiar with a multitude of problems feeding kibble, few will admit it though. Dental Disease in Dogs
Dog Food Review Royal Canin Hills and Burns. Perhaps Not Such a Premium Dog Food After All. Stan Rawlinson
If you are using Royal Canin Hills Science Plan or Burns Dog food. This will give you a better insight into the ingredients it may shock you. Stan Rawlinson Doglistener Exposé on ingredients.
www.doglistener.co.uk
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wildfowler.250
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but I bet a few are familiar with a multitude of problems feeding kibble, few will admit it though. Dental Disease in Dogs
Dog Food Review Royal Canin Hills and Burns. Perhaps Not Such a Premium Dog Food After All. Stan Rawlinson
If you are using Royal Canin Hills Science Plan or Burns Dog food. This will give you a better insight into the ingredients it may shock you. Stan Rawlinson Doglistener Exposé on ingredients.
In all honesty I’m a vet myself and can’t say I’ve found any issues with kibble.
Having a quick look at the link, personally think that number 1 issue has got to be obesity over dental disease. Regardless of diet, at some stage in their life, any cat/dog will likely need a dental. Even humans who brush their teeth twice a day will still need to go to the hygienist every now and again. Even if your pets on a raw food diet, they will chip/wear their teeth on bones so there’s no perfect answer.
It is an interesting subject though and as I say, there’s nothing wrong with any of the options as long as it’s well balanced.
reloader54
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so as a vet, answer me this, when at any time in its life, and I mean its evolutionary life does a dog benefit from things like,,
Butylated Hydroxyanisole (BHA) - E320
Butylated Hydroxytoluene (BHT) - E321
Propyl Gallate - E310
Citric Acid - E330
Potassium Sorbate -, E202
Propan -1,2-diol - E490
Iron Oxide - E172
Indigo Carmine - E132
Tartrazine - E102
Sunset Yellow - E110
Quinoline Yellow - E104
Titanium Dioxide - E171
Carbon Black - E153
At the time of writing this article, I believe the ten below are still used in the preparation of Bakers Complete.
E320 - has been found to be tumour-producing when fed to rats. In human studies, it has been linked with urticaria, angioedema, and asthma.
E321 - banned for use in food in Japan, Romania, Sweden, and Australia. The US has barred it from being used in infant foods. So bad McDonalds have voluntarily eliminated it from their products.
E310 - Banned from children's foods in the US because it is thought to cause the blood disorder methemoglobinemia
E172 - Banned in Germany
E132 - Can cause skin sensitivity, a rash similar to nettle rash, itching, nausea, high blood pressure and breathing problems. One of the colours that the Hyperactive Children's Support Group recommends be eliminated from the diet of children. Also banned in Norway.
E102 - TARTRAZINE - A trial on 76 children diagnosed as hyperactive, showed that tartrazine provoked abnormal behaviour patterns in 79% of them
E110 - Sunset Yellow has been found to damage kidneys and adrenals when fed to laboratory rats. It has also been found to be carcinogenic when fed to animals
E104 - One of the colours that the Hyperactive Children's Support Group recommends that should be eliminated from the diet of children. Banned in Australia, Japan, Norway and the United States.
E171 - Banned in Germany
E153 - Banned as a food additive in the United States of America. Suspected as a carcinogenic agent.
and do you really believe making processed animal feed into little bone shapes for dogs and turning it out in all the colours of the bloody rainbow is fooling the dogs into thinking its real food?
do you think the multi million £££££ adds are read by pets, of course not, its to con pet owners into believing little fido is getting the best money can buy. whats next pictures of grass on cattle feed, and pics of truffles on a bag of sow and weaner. pictures of wide open spaces on battery chicken feed.
gimme a break.
shakey jake
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advertising is aimed at people not pets
nun_hunter
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Have you ever been into a vet's that wasn't sponsored by a particular brand of food that they think is best? The same brand they get for free to feed their pets with, probably completely unrelated though.
reloader54
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or put them through vet college.
Well that didn’t take long
Dog food raw / kibble always ends up same way
Facts are out there ..... folk are free to choose what suits them
If someone’s doing something you don’t agree with can we just say f&$k it their choice doesn’t effect me for once?
Please......
Paul
Dog food raw / kibble always ends up same way
Facts are out there ..... folk are free to choose what suits them
If someone’s doing something you don’t agree with can we just say f&$k it their choice doesn’t effect me for once?
Please......
Paul
Tins of John West salmon every Sunday, one tin to each of my dogs. They've still not learned how to use the ring pull openers. 
wildfowler.250
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Riddick, in the nicest way possible I’ve no time to read every small ingredient on every brand of pet food - I trust the nutritionists. But it wouldn’t do the companies any favours if it was bad for the pets. There’s lots of things that can be either safe or toxic depending on the quantity ingested,(for example I could have 1 small whiskey and be fine, a bottle I will not 
).
As I’ve said there’s arguments for/against raw vs kibble. Either is fine if they’re well balanced.
I think you’re mixing up a few things here. A practice won’t be sponsored as such. A vets will sell dog food, it would be weird if they didn't? They, (like any buisness), may get a better deal with one brand and sell that in their shop rather than another. But that doesn’t mean the consultant in that vets would recommend one brand over another,(I’m not brand fussy).
But that’s getting slightly off topic for the chap who originally was asking for general opinions and advice.
).As I’ve said there’s arguments for/against raw vs kibble. Either is fine if they’re well balanced.
I think you’re mixing up a few things here. A practice won’t be sponsored as such. A vets will sell dog food, it would be weird if they didn't? They, (like any buisness), may get a better deal with one brand and sell that in their shop rather than another. But that doesn’t mean the consultant in that vets would recommend one brand over another,(I’m not brand fussy).
But that’s getting slightly off topic for the chap who originally was asking for general opinions and advice.
reloader54
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Riddick, in the nicest way possible I’ve no time to read every small ingredient on every brand of pet food - I trust the nutritionists. But it wouldn’t do the companies any favours if it was bad for the pets. There’s lots of things that can be either safe or toxic depending on the quantity ingested,(for example I could have 1 small whiskey and be fine, a bottle I will not
As I’ve said there’s arguments for/against raw vs kibble. Either is fine if they’re well balanced.
I think you’re mixing up a few things here. A practice won’t be sponsored as such. A vets will sell dog food, it would be weird if they didn't? They, (like any buisness), may get a better deal with one brand and sell that in their shop rather than another. But that doesn’t mean the consultant in that vets would recommend one brand over another,(I’m not brand fussy).
But that’s getting slightly off topic for the chap who originally was asking for general opinions and advice.
you haven't got to read anything because I or anyone else says so, opinions wee asked for mine has been given, if the op reads it and uses any of it to make his decision that's fine, if on the other hand he decides to ignore it that's fine by me too, I believe it was stated from the beginning "the information is out there" I merely gave examples of information, again references were made to the op making his own mind up, I chose to research the subject thoroughly and came to my decision based on my findings. there are multi million $$$ law suits and numerous recalls with commercial processed feed associated deaths throughout the world. just as there are with all processed foods. as nutritionists not employed by huge corporations are finding out.
a dog doesn't hunt other animals because it's hoping it's full of brightly coloured little biscuits, it.s doing it to get it's natural food, meat,bone viscera, etc.
commercial dog foods are made to circumnavigate various laws regarding advertising, "grain splitting" being a well know example. a whole rabbit, or chicken etc has no problem you can plainly see what it is.
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Convenience Is probably the 'driving' factor in regard to feeding dry/kibble to our dogs. In addition, accessibility to raw food sources, especially on a regular basis, even if you do hunt, there will be periods ( seasonal) when you don't have 'stuff' coming in.
As others have mentioned, balance is a good thing ! Our dogs do have kibble (Skinners), however I retain a selection of bones, flesh, fur & feather from shot game etc. This is then fed alongside a little kibble. I would be unable to hunt/store/source enough raw to feed it exclusively. In reality I probably feed maybe half & half over the year, sometimes more sometimes less. I think this is a good balance, and our dogs are fit and healthy.
One thing you will surely notice, and I guarantee this, is that the dogs defiantly recognise the difference ! You open a tin, get the bag of kibble out,.....yes they may show enthusiasm, you get out the whole rabbit, hare, raw chicken carcass or venison off-cuts.......oh boy, do they know the difference!!! That tells you something !
So, if at all possible, (to the op), do try and retain/source some raw food for your new 'mate' it can only do good and he/she will love you for it ! Good luck.
Kind Regards,
'Camodog'.
As others have mentioned, balance is a good thing ! Our dogs do have kibble (Skinners), however I retain a selection of bones, flesh, fur & feather from shot game etc. This is then fed alongside a little kibble. I would be unable to hunt/store/source enough raw to feed it exclusively. In reality I probably feed maybe half & half over the year, sometimes more sometimes less. I think this is a good balance, and our dogs are fit and healthy.
One thing you will surely notice, and I guarantee this, is that the dogs defiantly recognise the difference ! You open a tin, get the bag of kibble out,.....yes they may show enthusiasm, you get out the whole rabbit, hare, raw chicken carcass or venison off-cuts.......oh boy, do they know the difference!!! That tells you something !
So, if at all possible, (to the op), do try and retain/source some raw food for your new 'mate' it can only do good and he/she will love you for it ! Good luck.
Kind Regards,
'Camodog'.
Essexsussex
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Alan - do you feed the thighs while with bone in? Pheasant bones always seem a bit spikey to me but would give it a go if people do this often.
Yes legs and thighs with the bones in...we just skin the carcasses to get the breasts off for us and the legs and thighs for the dog. Rinsed in salt water and into the freezer. The dogs have had either a leg or a thigh on top of their biscuits.
I know exactly what you mean about the spikey nature of the bones, but both dogs just crunched them up with no problem...Holly on the left of my Avatar had one on most of her meals for the last ten years and lived to 15 years and two days; she was still fit enough to crunch and consume a Roe shoulder blade the day before she died!....Poppy on the right is now almost 8 and has had a P. leg or thigh pretty well every day since we had her at 9 months old.
Hungry gap just now until the pheasant season...we gave too many away, and had a few domestic communication cock-ups where we defrosted too many at time so she ended up with two or three portions occasionally...she wasn't too upset!
I was always told dogs are fine with bones of any of their likely prey or carrion species...provided they are uncooked. I never give them any cooked bones.
Alan
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