Reply from BBC RE: Countryfile/Emporer stag episode

flyingfisherman

Well-Known Member
Dear Mr Flyingfisherman,

Many thanks for your correspondence about the Countryfile programme broadcast on Sunday, November 21.

I am sorry that you felt the film was 'unbalanced.' The BBC takes complaints of this nature very seriously and vigorously defends its reputation for fair, balanced and accurate reporting.

There is no doubt that opinions on hunting are divided and when Countryfile covers the subject there are always comments from viewers who represent both sides of the argument. On this occasion I am in no doubt that the programme gave a balanced view of hunting - both for and against.

Near the head of the film John Craven talks to the residents of Rackenford who are at pains to point out that they could not understand what all the fuss was about when the media descended on their village. The strong inference being that the shooting of deer is a way of life in this part of the Devon countryside.

John Craven says in commentary:

'In the village pub, appropriately the Stag Inn, the locals just couldn’t believe the fuss over the shooting of a deer. Other locals were equally bemused.'

During his interview with the landlady of the Stag Inn, John Craven asks:

JC: 'It's quite a common occurrence around here isn't it shooting stags - I mean you've got a fine set of antlers here at the stag pub!'

Landlady: 'Yes we do - I mean this does seem like a storm in a tea cup……'

Later in the film John interviews hunter 'Andy' - a British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) member who organises trophy hunts and who is hired by landlowners to control the deer population.

'Andy' talks about how well the deer population is managed in the UK and that in other parts of Europe deer are taken when they are too young.'

John then asks Andy what checks are made on would-be trophy hunters.

JC: 'If I was a trophy hunter would to check to make sure I was a reasonable shot?'

Clearly demonstrating that there are strict controls surrounding the culling of deer, Andy responds:

'Oh absolutely - in fact whether you were culling or trophy hunting you will be taken to a range where you would show me that you can shoot correctly and accurately……the trophy side of things is a by-product. The animal has to be taken when we feel it has to be taken. If it's got a good set of antlers then that is just a bonus.'

John does not suggest there is anything wrong with this - though in the interest of balance there is an interview with a representative from the League Against Cruel Sports.

Even here, John says to the contributor:

'But what about the argument that there are too many deer - that they do need to be culled for their own good really….'

I can confirm that Countryfile were in touch the BASC who were very helpful during the course of our research. However, the 'stalker' they lined up for us did not want to be identified and did not want to be interviewed. The programme makers decided that this might imply that the stalker in question had something to hide - that some viewers may question his integrity. For this reason we decided to film with the contributor Andy who was happy to be visually identified and was prepared to be interviewed.

I do hope this explanation goes some way to addressing your concerns. We appreciate your interest in Countryfile and for taking the trouble to write and I can assure you that your comments have been registered.

XXXXX
Producer
Countryfile
 
i FEEL THAT WAS A GOOD RESPONCE BUT WOULD NOW ASK BASC to make sure that the person they ask to speek on behalf of the deer stalking comunity dose not hide in a corner but speeks in a clear and well balanced way.;)
 
I wonder how they would have replied, if they really knew how the greater portion of real country dwellers refer to this program?????????? "Countryphobe" is the current one amongst many Cheshire land users/owners.
 
Not a bad response from the beeb. Why on earth couldn't BASC find someone who was prepared to speak???
 
did you really get XXXXX from the Beeb?:-D

Hah, no, same as they didnt address it to Mr Flyingfisherman.. hehe.

I agree with 6pointer and AndrewS, would be nice to hear why it all went to rat sh*t just before the programme was to be filmed.
 
Not a bad response from the beeb. Why on earth couldn't BASC find someone who was prepared to speak???

Isn't it ironic that BASC have recently had their media centre opened by Prince Phil, but couldn't find someone amongst their number that was willing to robustly defend this whole debacle on TV??:roll:

An open-media-goal unfortunately missed....??:suss:
 
typical basc sit back in there new media centre say nowt just and count the pounds rolling in surely this was a great media oppotunity
 
How can it be termed a media centre (in the full sense of the term) if internet membership participation is denied & kicked into the long grass, (Elephant grass, that is!):doh:
 
Dear Mr Flyingfisherman,

Many thanks for your correspondence about the Countryfile programme broadcast on Sunday, November 21.

I am sorry that you felt the film was 'unbalanced.' The BBC takes complaints of this nature very seriously and vigorously defends its reputation for fair, balanced and accurate reporting.

There is no doubt that opinions on hunting are divided and when Countryfile covers the subject there are always comments from viewers who represent both sides of the argument. On this occasion I am in no doubt that the programme gave a balanced view of hunting - both for and against.

Near the head of the film John Craven talks to the residents of Rackenford who are at pains to point out that they could not understand what all the fuss was about when the media descended on their village. The strong inference being that the shooting of deer is a way of life in this part of the Devon countryside.

John Craven says in commentary:

'In the village pub, appropriately the Stag Inn, the locals just couldn’t believe the fuss over the shooting of a deer. Other locals were equally bemused.'

During his interview with the landlady of the Stag Inn, John Craven asks:

JC: 'It's quite a common occurrence around here isn't it shooting stags - I mean you've got a fine set of antlers here at the stag pub!'

Landlady: 'Yes we do - I mean this does seem like a storm in a tea cup……'

Later in the film John interviews hunter 'Andy' - a British Association for Shooting and Conservation (BASC) member who organises trophy hunts and who is hired by landlowners to control the deer population.

'Andy' talks about how well the deer population is managed in the UK and that in other parts of Europe deer are taken when they are too young.'

John then asks Andy what checks are made on would-be trophy hunters.

JC: 'If I was a trophy hunter would to check to make sure I was a reasonable shot?'

Clearly demonstrating that there are strict controls surrounding the culling of deer, Andy responds:

'Oh absolutely - in fact whether you were culling or trophy hunting you will be taken to a range where you would show me that you can shoot correctly and accurately……the trophy side of things is a by-product. The animal has to be taken when we feel it has to be taken. If it's got a good set of antlers then that is just a bonus.'

John does not suggest there is anything wrong with this - though in the interest of balance there is an interview with a representative from the League Against Cruel Sports.

Even here, John says to the contributor:

'But what about the argument that there are too many deer - that they do need to be culled for their own good really….'

I can confirm that Countryfile were in touch the BASC who were very helpful during the course of our research. However, the 'stalker' they lined up for us did not want to be identified and did not want to be interviewed. The programme makers decided that this might imply that the stalker in question had something to hide - that some viewers may question his integrity. For this reason we decided to film with the contributor Andy who was happy to be visually identified and was prepared to be interviewed.

I do hope this explanation goes some way to addressing your concerns. We appreciate your interest in Countryfile and for taking the trouble to write and I can assure you that your comments have been registered.

XXXXX
Producer
Countryfile

What I will add is that the man in question who was lined up to give the interview is known to me and contacted myself to ask my advice on giving the interview.

Having given a number of TV and Radio interviews over the years I am well aware of how the media can edit what one has said. This can give a totally different view. In this case, and because it was the BBC I advised him to walk away. He took my advice and I am glad he did.

Let me assure the BBC and anybody else that thinks it, that the man in question HAD NOTHING TO HIDE, and in fact is a very ethical and honest man. So yet again in the respone given by the BBC it appears they may have jumped to conclusions :roll: why am I not suprised.

Sikamalc
 
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What I will add is that the man in question who was lined up to give the interview is known to me and contacted myself to ask my advice on giving the interview.

Having given a number of TV and Radio interviews over the years I am well aware of how the media can edit what one has said. This can give a totally different view. In this case, and because it was the BBC I advised him to walk away. He took my advice and I am glad he did.

Let me assure the BBC and anybody else that thinks it, that the man in question HAD NOTHING TO HIDE, and in fact is a very ethical and honest man. So yet again in the respone given by the BBC it appears they may have jumped to conclusions :roll: why am I not suprised.

Sikamalc

I totally understand the individual stalkers perspective on this. I guess where I am surprised is that BASC doesn't have a list of 'media trained' practitioners that it can turn to for just these type of situations. Dealing with print media journalists for work on a pretty regular basis I know how much preparation is necessary to ensure that your message gets across rather than the message the journalist wants to hear, how to deflect or park questions, how to respond without appearing arrogant, etc. The problem with unattributable quotes or spokespeople is that invariably it weakens the overall credibility of the message.

I would have thought a bank of media-trained stalkers, game shooters, wildfowlers, gamekeepers, etc would not be beyond the wit of man (or indeed BASC council!), given suitable candidates and investment in training. It would help if they could avoid reinforcing the media caricature of "plum in mouth" shooting folk as well ;)

willie_gunn
 
Dear All,

We had arranged for a local stalker to be filmed together with our SW Regional Director - who as you may well expect is fully media trained, all was set, and then 2 days before filming the BBC contacted us to say our help was no longer needed....
David
 
David thanks for the reply mate and dont you think with the responce given it might be prudent to get a hold of who ever wrote that on behalf of the BBC and give them a real good talking to ;)
 
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Thank you, David, for telling us the other half of this tale. Seems Countryphobe is now becoming a bit of a Countryfib. I trust you will be challenging them on this point.
 
Yes we will be getting in touch with the BBC - but of course its still our intention to keep pressure on the BBC and all other media outlets to use BASC as the first port of call!

Best wishes to all.

David
 
That is exactly why I advised the stalker to walk away from the interview. No change with the BBC ehh. Bring back some of the old country programmes with Jack Hargreaves.

Mind you they wouldnt fit the modern green, eco friendly, town/city into country attitude that seems to befall Countryfile and other so called countryside programmes that seem to be the in thing these days.
 
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Mind you they wouldnt fit the modern green, eco friendly, town/city into country attitude that seems to befall Countryfile and other so called countryside programmes that seem to be the in thing these days.

Malc

I agree, but I find it interesting to contrast the TV program we're discussing here with the Food Programme on Venison that they recently put out on Radio 4. I've posted the link to the replay before.

The latter was one of the best programmes I've heard for some time - well researched and well presented. All the contributors came across very well and the cull itself was presented in a pleasingly positive way. More of that type of program would not go amiss.

willie_gunn
 
Hi Willie,

yes I do vaguely remember hearing the end of this radio programme, was it about 2 to 3 weeks back? Both radio and TV are powerful forms of media that can have a big impact on how people see our sport and the people that undertake it. But without doubt TV is by far the more powerful tool. The BBC have and do produce some of the most stunning Natural History programmes, with outstanding film footage of wildlife from around the world. I just find it a pity that they do not see the broader and wider picture when it comes to fieldsports and stalking within the British countryside and how it has helped and managed our landscape and the animals that live in it, in a sympathetic and beneficial way.

Furthermore the fact that so much hype had already been whipped up about one Red Stag, appeared to me that the interest that countryfile had suddenly taken in this issue was only going to end in trouble for anyone that gave an interview. It was one Red Stag, and if someone paid to take a trophy and it was part of the cull plan...........so what!! Perhaps the BBC should have dedicated a whole programme to deer management and what it really means, instead of reporting on one deer that had hit the headlines.

I wonder if it would have caused the same effect if the hype would have read World Record Chinese Water Deer taken in Bedfordshire :lol:;) probably not me thinks.
 
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