So this flooding!!!

jimmy milnes

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Now I don't now about any of you guys but I can't remember the last time I saw a dredging boat on any of the rivers around me or to that fact a council gully pump cleaning out the drains
I guess cutbacks again but at the end of the day when regular maintenance does not get done then don't be surprised when problems arise..
Ventilation of my spleen over, thanks for reading this far
Jimmy
 
We are thankfully not at risk to flooding, unless we got a Tsunami of around 100 feet at Chester wier, Feel for the poor souls on their second or third property wipeout, Just looking at newsreel footage of the pub on the corner junction next the Ribble in Sawley, been in there a few times after stalking at Skirden, nice pub ruined for the second time at least.
 
Council's don't want to be spending money on such ahem unnecessary essentials, they'd rather be robbing the shopkeeper and householder to fund their pay increase ;)
My mother's council borough spent that much money on hosting a golf tournament to put the borough on the map so to speak they're 70mil in the red and are raising rates by 8%! My mum don't play golf but I'm sure most of the council members do so a big pat on the back for them. Since the announcement they've cancelled an annual air show event that did actually bring thousands of families who ate/stayed in local hotels and are closing a water based theme park which provided local jobs. My opinion is that if a council doesn't work then sack the lot bar from running and reelection. I'll go sit in my rocking chair and suck my thumb quietly for 10mins now ;)
 
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You are right and it is a tragedy what we are seeing. To pick up on the OP point and sorry to get political but it is due to Austerity over the last years which has caused this. I have seen first hand that when budgets are tight that the servicing and maintenance doesn’t happen and then things break. One local hospital had to stop operating due to an air handling plant failing due to poor maintenance, this caused and is causing long waiting times. The Council will be in the same place.

BE
 
Up to a few years ago we had a Lengthsman in the village who cleared the buddle holes allowing water to escape, trimmed and cleared the verges and gutters, trimmed the hedges where necessary and even cut round the wildflowers when they bloomed. He looked after about a mile and threequarters of road. We never had flooding and the hedges and verges were always tidy.
Now, once a year we get a couple of tractors with verge ploughs, a tractor with front bucket to pick up the mess, a couple of lorries to cart off the mud etc. and finally, a roadsweeping lorry to do a final clean up.
The buddle holes are no longer cleared the hedges are flailed once a year leaving a real mess and we get yearly flooding through the village. They are now muttering about spending £750,000 on a flood prevention scheme. Marvellous!!!!!
 
if councils had any brains and cleaned out grids and drains, there wouldnt be as much flooding in the uk, and get someone out on the street brushing and picking litter up because the uk is now a shithole, i was walking the dog the other day and watched two teenagers eating a take away, and guess what they threw it on the pavement when they had finished and their drinks, and 2feet away was a litter bin, but what made me laugh the girl had a save the planet climate change and zero plastic pollution tee shirt on , and these idiots are our future, and yes i picked up their litter and put it in the litter bin, and while im having a rant doesnt any dog owners pick ther dog**** up any more, ive seen third world country,s that are cleaner than this shithole we live, in this green and pleasant land, yeah right. bs.
 
I came down a steepish hill with big S bends the other day after the snow melted.

Some runoff started at the top of hill and ran all the way down the road to the bottom crossing from left/right at every corner on the corners, I think I counted 5 or 6 crossovers.
If that frooze over night t would be an accident waiting to happen and a real struggle to get up it esp for the milk tanker which turns half way up hill.

On 1 side the fields were always below road and often on both sides, u could easy dig a cunndy to put water into the field in numerous places which would completely solve the problem and not too mention the future erosion problems with that much water running down the road, not long been restarted.

While the council should be doing it I also can't believe locals don't do it, it's them that has to use the road daily

Another back road I know regularly floods bumper deep with runoff of fields yet is right above a river, mibbee only 6 to 10ft away. A simple trench would solve it all.
Never used to flood. And now they wonder why road surface is so sh*the below the flooded bit. But again u'd think a local would do something would take minutes a year.
 
Come on down and meet the council morons ,we have a new estate being built on a marsh and an established 1 built on a below river level flood plane that err umm floods a lot and the "firm" that built it no longer exist on paper.
As Jimmy said what dredgers ,on a documentry about the waterways board they admitted some oof decided over 20 years ago to stop dredging and let nature take its course so nice for my autie who,s house at Doncaster and her neighbours may be dry in another 6 months.
Note to the green loons ,nowt to do with globby warming ,weve been living with nature for thousands of years and if you dont stand up,divert,or drain she will bite you in the ass
 
Council under acheivers I call them, send out a vehicle and driver, the passenger he / she carries hops out & spray paints around the pot holes / chasms, jumps back in & the next thing you see is wether the paint last two years or more, some times you might get a bag of the cold granulated self set tarmac half heartedly tamped in, removed by lunch time next day after a bit of traffic.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::doh:
 
You are right and it is a tragedy what we are seeing. To pick up on the OP point and sorry to get political but it is due to Austerity over the last years which has caused this. I have seen first hand that when budgets are tight that the servicing and maintenance doesn’t happen and then things break. One local hospital had to stop operating due to an air handling plant failing due to poor maintenance, this caused and is causing long waiting times. The Council will be in the same place.

BE
It isn't down to austerity. The abandonment of river management (dredging is just one tool in the box) is down to EU environment directives which have demanded "managed retreat" in the supposed interests of bio-diversity. This means the NRA will not permit anyone to touch a river if there's the slightest risk of inconvenience to a newt or a water vole and to hell with the human beings.
The NRA has successfully implanted the notion that dredging is "inappropriate" because it moves the problem elsewhere. Management means treating a watercourse as a single entity from source to sea with the correct maintenance at the right times in the right places.
Dredging doesn't mean making the whole river deeper and faster and removing natural flood plains by turning sluggish flat land stretches of river into deep drainage channels; it simply means removing periodically the soil which has washed off cultivated land and silted up the river and returning it to the land, so that the flood plain is maintained in its original extent instead of creeping ever outwards as the river channels silts up. That doesn't cause any problems downstream.
It's not rocket science, it's common sense.

Where I live there is a winter stream that runs through about six villages before it joins the river. At our end it frequently floods the road and any low lying gardens.
For years the local council sent two blokes and a transit pickup out regularly to thin out the weed and repair the banks. They striped the bulk of the crowfoot out without removing it entirely in mid to late summer after the aquatic life had done its breeding. They built up squashed banks with sandbags filled with grit and cement dust. These settled into place and slowly went hard; then they replaced the turf. They spent no more than three or four days a year on this work but none of it happens any more.

On top of that there is a fish farm at the stream's source which farms a non-native species and imports fry with the water from the tanks they come in released directly into the stream along with whatever plant spoors are in it. So not only is the native weed allowed to grow unchecked but invasive alien species are introduced as well. (I'm pretty sure that's where a sudden and massive outbreak of Himalayan Balsam came from a few years ago).

The council don't clear the roadside drains either. Many of the gully pots are completely choked with silt. You couldn't drop a fag butt down most of them and the entire system is probably beyond repair now and much of it would need to be relaid to get it flowing.
You could say (and they do) that it's all down to austerity. But it isn't. The district council is in surplus. It even even plays the stock market and buys "investment" property. It isn't a company. It should be returning the money to taxpayers in tax cuts and the only investments it should be making is a proper programme of maintenance. But purging drains and maintaining streams isn't "eye-catching" and no one it seems, at any government level from the parish council to county council and including Natural England has the slightest knowledge of aquatic biology and can tell one weed species from another. The old boys with their transit and scythes could.
 
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I well remember the Lengthmen on the roads. We always had to cut hedges and clean out the ditches. However the old council bloke would cut the verges and dig the run offs as well as filling potholes. I believe a man's "Length" used to be a minimum of 5miles on main road and a mile down anything joining it. Our local A road goes over the main East coast railway line on a level crossing. Delays can be 20 minutes so everyone does a rat run as there is a bridge on a lane. Nothing to have 700 cars through our village in rush hours on a road with half an inch of tarmac. Narrow lanes road edges gone, potholes everywhere a right mess.
For 30 years they have talked about a bridge over the railway. Three different schemes have been designed ( to working drawing stage) in last four years, still no bridge and at least £400k in design consultant fees. What a load of J Arthur's the Counci and railways are. :mad: :mad:
 
It isn't down to austerity. The abandonment of river management (dredging is just one tool in the box) is down to EU environment directives which have demanded "managed retreat" in the supposed interests of bio-diversity. This means the NRA will not permit anyone to touch a river if there's the slightest risk of inconvenience to a newt or a water vole and to hell with the human beings.
The NRA has successfully implanted the notion that dredging is "inappropriate" because it moves the problem elsewhere. Management means treating a watercourse as a single entity from source to sea with the correct maintenance at the right times in the right places.
Dredging doesn't mean making the whole river deeper and faster and removing natural flood plains by turning sluggish flat land stretches of river into deep drainage channels; it simply means removing periodically the soil which has washed off cultivated land and silted up the river and returning it to the land, so that the flood plain is maintained in its original extent instead of creeping ever outwards as the river channels silts up. That doesn't cause any problems downstream.
It's not rocket science, it's common sense.

Where I live there is a winter stream that runs through about six villages before it joins the river. At our end it frequently floods the road and any low lying gardens.
For years the local council sent two blokes and a transit pickup out regularly to thin out the weed and repair the banks. They striped the bulk of the crowfoot out without removing it entirely in mid to late summer after the aquatic life had done its breeding. They built up squashed banks with sandbags filled with grit and cement dust. These settled into place and slowly went hard; then they replaced the turf. They spent no more than three or four days a year on this work but none of it happens any more.

On top of that there is a fish farm at the stream's source which farms a non-native species and imports fry with the water from the tanks they come in released directly into the stream along with whatever plant spoors are in it. So not only is the native weed allowed to grow unchecked but invasive alien species are introduced as well. (I'm pretty sure that's where a sudden and massive outbreak of Himalayan Balsam came from a few years ago).

The council don't clear the roadside drains either. Many of the gully pots are completely choked with silt. You couldn't drop a fag butt down most of them and the entire system is probably beyond repair now and much of it would need to be relaid to get it flowing.
You could say (and they do) that it's all down to austerity. But it isn't. The district council is in surplus. It even even plays the stock market and buys "investment" property. It isn't a company. It should be returning the money to taxpayers in tax cuts and the only investments it should be making is a proper programme of maintenance. But purging drains and maintaining streams isn't "eye-catching" and no one it seems, at any government level from the parish council to county council and including Natural England has the slightest knowledge of aquatic biology and can tell one weed species from another. The old boys with their transit and scythes could.
Well we will see if you are right now we have left the EU the council will be able to do what they used to do. My bet is they won’t because they are short of money.
 
It isn't down to austerity. The abandonment of river management (dredging is just one tool in the box) is down to EU environment directives which have demanded "managed retreat" in the supposed interests of bio-diversity. This means the NRA will not permit anyone to touch a river if there's the slightest risk of inconvenience to a newt or a water vole and to hell with the human beings.
The NRA has successfully implanted the notion that dredging is "inappropriate" because it moves the problem elsewhere. Management means treating a watercourse as a single entity from source to sea with the correct maintenance at the right times in the right places.
Dredging doesn't mean making the whole river deeper and faster and removing natural flood plains by turning sluggish flat land stretches of river into deep drainage channels; it simply means removing periodically the soil which has washed off cultivated land and silted up the river and returning it to the land, so that the flood plain is maintained in its original extent instead of creeping ever outwards as the river channels silts up. That doesn't cause any problems downstream.
It's not rocket science, it's common sense.

Where I live there is a winter stream that runs through about six villages before it joins the river. At our end it frequently floods the road and any low lying gardens.
For years the local council sent two blokes and a transit pickup out regularly to thin out the weed and repair the banks. They striped the bulk of the crowfoot out without removing it entirely in mid to late summer after the aquatic life had done its breeding. They built up squashed banks with sandbags filled with grit and cement dust. These settled into place and slowly went hard; then they replaced the turf. They spent no more than three or four days a year on this work but none of it happens any more.

On top of that there is a fish farm at the stream's source which farms a non-native species and imports fry with the water from the tanks they come in released directly into the stream along with whatever plant spoors are in it. So not only is the native weed allowed to grow unchecked but invasive alien species are introduced as well. (I'm pretty sure that's where a sudden and massive outbreak of Himalayan Balsam came from a few years ago).

The council don't clear the roadside drains either. Many of the gully pots are completely choked with silt. You couldn't drop a fag butt down most of them and the entire system is probably beyond repair now and much of it would need to be relaid to get it flowing.
You could say (and they do) that it's all down to austerity. But it isn't. The district council is in surplus. It even even plays the stock market and buys "investment" property. It isn't a company. It should be returning the money to taxpayers in tax cuts and the only investments it should be making is a proper programme of maintenance. But purging drains and maintaining streams isn't "eye-catching" and no one it seems, at any government level from the parish council to county council and including Natural England has the slightest knowledge of aquatic biology and can tell one weed species from another. The old boys with their transit and scythes could.

The NRA ceased to be in 1996..........Sadly.
 
The only people who clean out the culverts round here are farmers, and they only do when and where it affects them.
Plus we have a livery stable at the end of the village up a very narrow road that runs next to the stream. The banks frequently get crushed by badly driven horse boxes, and on top of those there's three or four large courier vans or lorries a day bringing the urban migrant masses their Amazon boxes.
 
Well we will see if you are right now we have left the EU the council will be able to do what they used to do. My bet is they won’t because they are short of money.
It's nothing to do with the EU. Our council were free to maintain the stream and the roadside gullies as they saw fit before we left. They just didn't bother. They don't have to implement all the EU environment directives either. They are adopted rather than obeyed.
If our council was short of money, why does it run an investment portfolio with taxpayers cash while essential maintenance is neglected?
Our civil service and local government parrot "austerity" (whatever that means) while at the same time running their department like fiefdoms or surrogate businesses with zero accountability and abysmal performance. In many case the mafia would do a better job and give better value for money. It needs to stop.
 
It's nothing to do with the EU. Our council were free to maintain the stream and the roadside gullies as they saw fit before we left. They just didn't bother. They don't have to implement all the EU environment directives either. They are adopted rather than obeyed.
If our council was short of money, why does it run an investment portfolio with taxpayers cash while essential maintenance is neglected?
Our civil service and local government parrot "austerity" (whatever that means) while at the same time running their department like fiefdoms or surrogate businesses with zero accountability and abysmal performance. In many case the mafia would do a better job and give better value for money. It needs to stop.
I’m confused as in your first post you said it was EU directives now nothing to do with the EU. What ever! I’m sticking with lack of money to do basic maintenance.
 
oh and while we are on about cleaning grids and drains, i clean and wash out the two grids at the front of my house, and never had a problem with flooding, someone reported me to the council, and i had a rather stupid official mmm jobs worth from the council call round, and try to give me the riot act for doing the cleaning of the grids myself, telling me about the health and safety issues and saying i should put road signs and cones out, and it was dangerous what i was doing if you have not had the proper training, i told him i am a retired ex north west water employee of 30 odd years and some of me duties included cleaning and washing out drains, he said if i carry on doing what i am doing, i would get a stern letter from the council, i told him to **** off and stop wasting my time, never heard anything since, and i,m still cleaning the grids feckin morons bs
 
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