COVID-19 “You shall not eat any abomination"

[Rowey]

Interesting to read the post from the fourth Horseman above. If it wasn't for the lockdown I'd have been in Leicester prison this morning taking a service for the lads. Never a wasted morning. In fact I've grown to like it better than regular church. Most of those lads are at the sharp end of life. Many if not most deserve their sentences. But that's life. The lockdown and the virus affects us all. Such events cause a reset in all of our minds. I've been on the receiving end of vitriol and hatred and ridicule just because of my faith and because I go to church. That's plain daft. In younger days I'd have argued. But what's the point? My life changed for the better when I took the decision to follow Christ. No one forced me. I can handle the ridicule and stand up for myself. It don't make you hard or clever to knock a man for his faith. I've met many who are believers but dare not admit it for fear of man. I'll stand up for my faith come what may. For those that ridicule me or call me names... Carry on. It makes no difference to me at all. I've watched this post with interest. Todays post by tfh prompted my response. I'm not looking for a row. Just offering my view. The bible to me is a good common sense book. A kind of Haynes manual for life written by the original manufacturer. Read it for yourself. Then you can make an informed decision. Enjoy the rest of your day. Some degree of normality will return in due season

 

[User00035]

Anti-religion, or anti-theism to be more accurate, though most people wouldn't understand the difference, is very fashionable.

"Religion causes wars" is the mantra for our times which people can roar from the sidelines of life so they feel part of the in-crowd. Ergo religion is wicked, believers are deluded trouble-makers and belief (theism) is backward primitivism and therefore stupid, so noisily denouncing any kind of spiritual belief is the ultimate in feel-good self-satisfied virtue-signalling. You don't need to adopt a political allegiance or promote some alternative which you then have to tie yourself in knots trying to explain, you just get to pretend you're more fully evolved and above the herd mentality. Militant atheism is more group-think than religion because it requires no faith or self-examination. It's very seductive.
The irony is the group-think of militant anti-theism is less tolerant, more judgmental and far more aggressive in its proselytising than most genuine religions.

For the record, I'm an agnostic.

 

[sauer]

It’s a two way street folks .... same with lot in life


Yes many militant anti religion
Many militant religious persons

Whatever the terminology

I have no problem with people who have faith ....
what bothers me is when I try to get it rammed down my throat and I’m told I’m the one in the wrong ....

Why can’t two people .... stand side by side and respect the others decision and leave it be ?

Add veganism
Add whatever “ ism” you want it’s always the Same.


Paul

 

[evetseel]

Interesting to read the post from the fourth Horseman above. If it wasn't for the lockdown I'd have been in Leicester prison this morning taking a service for the lads. Never a wasted morning. In fact I've grown to like it better than regular church. Most of those lads are at the sharp end of life. Many if not most deserve their sentences. But that's life. The lockdown and the virus affects us all. Such events cause a reset in all of our minds. I've been on the receiving end of vitriol and hatred and ridicule just because of my faith and because I go to church. That's plain daft. In younger days I'd have argued. But what's the point? My life changed for the better when I took the decision to follow Christ. No one forced me. I can handle the ridicule and stand up for myself. It don't make you hard or clever to knock a man for his faith. I've met many who are believers but dare not admit it for fear of man. I'll stand up for my faith come what may. For those that ridicule me or call me names... Carry on. It makes no difference to me at all. I've watched this post with interest. Todays post by tfh prompted my response. I'm not looking for a row. Just offering my view. The bible to me is a good common sense book. A kind of Haynes manual for life written by the original manufacturer. Read it for yourself. Then you can make an informed decision. Enjoy the rest of your day. Some degree of normality will return in due season

Good for you Rowey. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

 

[User00035]

I have no problem with people who have faith ....
what bothers me is when I try to get it rammed down my throat and I’m told I’m the one in the wrong

I have no problem with people who have no faith... but the same qualification applies.

 

[palmer_mike]

It’s a two way street folks .... same with lot in life


Yes many militant anti religion
Many militant religious persons

Whatever the terminology

I have no problem with people who have faith ....
what bothers me is when I try to get it rammed down my throat and I’m told I’m the one in the wrong ....

Why can’t two people .... stand side by side and respect the others decision and leave it be ?

Add veganism
Add whatever “ ism” you want it’s always the Same.


Paul

Not really, never seen any militant pro religion posts on here EVER.

 

[sauer]

I have no problem with people who have no faith... but the same qualification applies.

Exactly !

And hence my comment regarding two such people standing side by side and respecting each other’s opinion .

Say you and I .... any reason why if we lived next door to each other we couldn’t stand and have a beer or a coffee over the garden fence and shoot the breeze as they say ?

Like I said ..... it’s a two way street .. works both ways

Paul

 

[sauer]

I never said I see them on here

I’m talking about in general life

 

[foxdropper]

From experience I’d say believers have more problem with non believers than vice versa and it’s not very often the subject gets brought up by a non believer .If those who do believe ,believe so strongly that dialogue should be one way ,their way then maybe make a rule there’s to be no religion mentioned as we non believers have as much right to say so as you believers .
The main theme with any religion seems to be to silence criticism .

 

[palmer_mike]

Well done guys keep on proving my point for me!

 

[biffo]

The real problem with any religion is Fundamentalism, whereby passionate people believe that the ‘handed down’ written word from thousands of years ago is a set of instructions on how to behave today in 2020!

Judaism, Muslim, Christianity, etc....eat the metaphorical pork and adapt to the world today....

 

[casper]

GOOD IS GOOD AND BAD IS BAD

In my opinion a good person who believes in God is just the same as a good person who doesn't believe in God.
Likewise a bad person who believes in God is just the same as a bad person who doesn't believe in God.

It's more about the person than the belief. I know anti shooting vegans who are cracking people, I also know meat eating shooters who I don't have the time of day for.

 

[Stalker62]

For the record, I'm an agnostic.

Ditto.

An athiest - how do they know?

Better to be the religious equivalent of a hedge fund manger...just in case....just in case...

 

[Fadcode]

The one thing that strikes me about religion, is that most people are scared to admit they are a believer, as it's not a popular thing to be at the moment.
So I take my hat off to anyone who has the conviction and the faith to admit it.

 

[Chanty Wrassler]

I find the New Testament a gentler read...although, I admit that the ending's a bit scary...

No spoilers !! I've only just got to the bit about loaves and fishes.

 

[User00035]

Ditto.

An athiest - how do they know?

Better to be the religious equivalent of a hedge fund manger...just in case....just in case...

Theism, an acceptance of the concept of a sentient creator, gets muddled up with religion. Religion is theism politicised by and for human beings with the sentient creator ascribed a human identity and a movement created around the worship of that being with rigid human interpretations and human-imposed rules. These movements claim (as does politics generally) to be motivated by a desire to "save" mankind but in fact they just seek control. The idea of balancing salvation with damnation is an entirely man-made device of thought control through fear, the more blatantly so since it would apply to no other species but ours. Nature does not work that way. And since a sentient creator would represent in essence the original creative force, the bringer of order and the ultimate authority in the universe (or the life force of all things, if you like, the existence of which science accepts, has begun to codify and has named "The Laws of Physics) the spirit of any sentient creator is nature.

I may yet become a theist but I very much doubt I will ever be religious. I don't much care for human society at the best of times and I can't see myself joining his clubs.

 

[Stalker62]

I don't much care for human society at the best of times.

Sometimes Finch...sometimes...

 

[User00035]

Sometimes Finch...sometimes...

Entirely true. It's an idea created by people.

 

[The deer man]

I would like to meet him, if I did, I would ask him what he wants from me.
I am not a believer, even tho my parents would turn in their graves if they heard me say that, but what I do believe in is, that if you treat others as you would like to be treated and go out of your way to help others without expecting a reward, you will have a good life, up until recently I have.

Isn't that just what Christ was preaching or pretty damn close to it?

 

[foxdropper]

Not really, never seen any militant pro religion posts on here EVER.

Stick around son