What is a .22?

[Blzeebub]

Afternoon All,

I'm looking for some help after a few interesting calls form my FEO that i can see may end up escalating a bit. On my licence i have both .22 Rifle (technically 3 of them) and one .22CF slots listed. I put through a purchase of a .223 and got a call telling me i had no slot for it as i didn't have a .223 slot. After a short discussion where i stated it was a .22CF i was told they would get back to me. Next up i was told i had filled my .22 Rifle slots (not true as i have 2 out of 3 filled), and when i pointed out i had quantity 2 next to one of the .22 Rifle slots i was told it was ok and an admin error their end. A few days later i get another call and the FOE asks me to send in my ticket as his boss wants to amend it to specifically have a .223 on it. The FEO stated that 'it was a technicality' but the boss wanted my ticket changed to reflect the .223.

Now, my RFD reckons i should ask for their reasoning in writing and i'm inclined to agree. I also plan to contact BASC but i'd be interested to see what people think.

So, what is a .22?

Cheers
Nat

 

[finnbear270]

Clusterf***'s over Calibre and Chamberings. Ask him what his view is on .222 ?

 

[Andy RV]

Send it in and get on with your life.

 

[finnbear270]

.221	5.45 mm	0.221 in	5.45×39mm Russian family	Russian Mil Std
.22	5.6 mm	0.223 in	.22 Short, .22 Long, .22 Long Rifle, .22 Stinger, 22 Extra Long, .22 WMR (magnum), .297/230 Morris Extra Long, .22 Hornet, .22 Rem Automatic, 5.66 x39 MPS, .22 Rem Jet
.224	5.7 mm	0.224 in	.218 Bee, .219 Zipper, .22 Hornet-K, .220 Swift, .222 Remington, .222 Remington Magnum, .223 Remington, 5.56×45mm NATO, 5.7×28mm, .22 TCM, 5.8 × 42 Chinese, .224 Weatherby Magnum, .225 Winchester, .223 Winchester Super Short Magnum (Obsolete) .223 Ackley Improved, .219 Donaldson Wasp, .221 Remington Fireball, .22-250 Remington and many more

 

[devonair]

Lol....put in variations for a .22hornet (.224") 218 Bee(.224"), 22-250, 221fireball(.224"), .220 Swift(.224"), watch em go then ha ha!

Finnbear beat me to it

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

Standard
Calibre vs chambering cock up
Some authorities recognise the 22cf, some don’t

 

[Woodsmoke]

I assume the issuing office that granted you .22cf is the same office that's now quibbling over what a .22cf actually is?

'Clusterf*ck' just about covers it, yep

 

[finnbear270]

Why can’t they train these people?

 

[Blzeebub]

I assume the issuing office that granted you .22cf is the same office that's now quibbling over what a .22cf actually is?

'Clusterf*ck' just about covers it, yep

He's saying it's the boss that wants the change but he agrees it's a 22CF! That said, at one point he argued that i didn't have an available .22 Rifle slot and i classed those as 22LR!

 

[paul o']

Too Easy ,it used to be norm for staff to get hands on and an understanding of what a pistol ect looked like and felt like , the norm is't so any more ?

 

[User00040]

Why can’t they train these people?

They need a better system as no amount of training is going to cover every eventuality.

IMHO the New Zealand model (recent amendments aside) seems to be the way forward.

Category and not calibre specific approval should be sought, as itemisation takes up a lot of administrative time and so long as they are in the same category an additional purchase should not need further approval. No more back and forth posting of FAC's.

Moderators should not be licensed items as most forces seem to want a moderator request made with every FAC application anyway. A friend put in for a .223 and .270 but forgot to add any moderator slots, his ticket came back with them automatically added on as 'moderator, varied X2' (this is the Highland branch of Explosive & Firearms licensing which consistently does a great job).

As we all know there are so many chamberings to be had in .22 cal, .22 Long Rifle, .22 Short, .223, .224 Valkyrie, .22-250 etc.

What with the possibility of new chamberings and wildcats there is no way to keep up with individual requests or amendments.

As has been said many times, a person who cannot be trusted with a catapult, then cannot be trusted with a bow, then cannot be trusted with a shotgun, then cannot be trusted with a rimfire, then cannot be trusted with a centrefire.

Common sense should (and often does) prevail but administrative quibbling seems to be pervasive.

All the best.

 

[EMcC]

I can remember when I, and a friend, put in for a .22, this was in the late fifties and I believe Bristol came under Somerset licensing and my FC was No 15 so not many about at that time.
I bought a .22rf and my mate bought a 22-250 as there didn't seem to be any specific category given for a .22 calibre rifle.

 

[jb1]

I have applied for both 30 cal and 17 cal and had both returned on my ticket stating just that, so in reality i have been able to buy anything in either caliber. My only regret was not buying a 300 RUM

It did need a little educating and explaining to the FEO.

 

[Frank Homes]

It's all about being specific and licening offices are notorious for lacking specificity. So an authority to buy a .22LR doesn't allow you to buy anything else, similarly a .22 WMR nails the cartridge. .22 CF covers a multitude from .22 Hornet to .220 swift. All are basically .224 calibre. I recall a dealer in Hants who would supply .22 centrefire rifles to customers with authorities to acquire a .22 rifle , when what they and the licensing authority really wanted/meant was .22LR.

 

[finnbear270]

So, Frank, training might be a fair idea? What say you?

 

[Blzeebub]

It does seem bizarre that they issued the licence with those slots and then decided they don't like them. I suspect a recent regime change at the top is the problem.

 

[njc110381]

I don't get the fuss? You have a .22 centrefire slot, you've bought the .22 centrefire of choice right? Let them write whatever they want on your FAC. Doesn't matter does it? You can't change it for another gun without a one for one and if you want a different calibre that's still a free change.

Just let them write .223 on your FAC. You're starting a battle that doesn't even need to be started. I'm the first to dig my heels in if my force don't play fair but I don't understand what the issue is here?

 

[nic531]

It's all about being specific and licening offices are notorious for lacking specificity. So an authority to buy a .22LR doesn't allow you to buy anything else, similarly a .22 WMR nails the cartridge. .22 CF covers a multitude from .22 Hornet to .220 swift. All are basically .224 calibre. I recall a dealer in Hants who would supply .22 centrefire rifles to customers with authorities to acquire a .22 rifle , when what they and the licensing authority really wanted/meant was .22LR.

I have 22rf on my ticket... i own 22 lr's and 22wmr, no issues... but have to have 22wmr as ammo as well, as shops will not sell me it under 22 rimfire???

 

[Frank Homes]

So, Frank, training might be a fair idea? What say you?

Yes I agree more training needed, but the fundamental role of an FEO is to assess character and suitability and a lot of them are ideally suited as they are ex police officers.

 

[finnbear270]

Character judging is a good aim for them, land safety ,which I might add is a bit of an oxymoron in itself, is not an ideal subject for an feo to try to undertake, can of worms ? Yes?