Are my bullets flying sideways??

[8x57]

You possibly wouldn't have had such a problem if it was chipboard, but its flakeboard that you are using. See if you can find some of the board that sonic mentions or failing that just use cardboard.

 

[Sonicdmb73]

You possibly wouldn't have had such a problem if it was chipboard, but its flakeboard that you are using. See if you can find some of the board that sonic mentions or failing that just use cardboard.

Just don’t use a banana box like my mate did.
he’d stand it up and put an X in the middle zeroing his 300wm for an upcoming trip to Canada he was getting worse as time went on. Must say that the light weight barreldidn’t help.
So he asked me if I wanted a go, so boom (no mods and a muzzle break) and he pipes up you missed. Walked down to the target and looked not a mark, well not at first glance. So while I am trying to work out how the (choose your expletive) did I miss a banana box.
He says you raggy so n so or words to that effect. You could just see the bullet had clipped each flap of the box as it passed smack through the middle of both the gap in the flaps and his X.
I didn’t get a second shot

 

[User00044]

No offence intended so please don't take it as such but Bol**CKS. Replace the flake board with a decent backing board and give it another try.
Oh and you might have a clearer target to examine if you dumb the C and Shoot target. Not nocking them but the paint does tend to flake off after a few shots so not indicating a clean shot hole.

With 8×57 on this one , those shoot 'n' C targets are terrible for tearing , especially if they're not pressed firm to the board . 50 card targets are about £6 on amazon , cheaper and easier to measure groups.
I certainly wouldn't have thought the bullets would be lacking stability, a mates pet load in his 223 is shooting a one hole group at 100 yards, 55 grain SBK doing about 2870 fps . Also a 14 twist , 20" barrel.

 

[Scooby-3]

With 8×57 on this one , those shoot 'n' C targets are terrible for tearing , especially if they're not pressed firm to the board . 50 card targets are about £6 on amazon , cheaper and easier to measure groups.
I certainly wouldn't have thought the bullets would be lacking stability, a mates pet load in his 223 is shooting a one hole group at 100 yards, 55 grain SBK doing about 2870 fps . Also a 14 twist , 20" barrel.

Is he charging it with snuff to get that velocity?

 

[User00044]

Is he charging it with snuff to get that velocity?

Yawn , You 'd think ! Then again, who gives a £#@€ if its accurate .

 

[Scooby-3]

Yawn , You 'd think ! Then again, who gives a £#@€ if its accurate .

That’s very true but it will drop like a stone. Fine if it’s a foxing gun with a max range of say 250y

 

[Old melv]

After trying alot of boards and things as backing for targets I now use 25 litre plastic oil drums the rectangular type. Cut the front and back off to make 2 targets then I screw two pieces of lathe to the sides to stick them into the ground. Targets stick well to them bullets pass through with little resistance so they don't get knocked over cheap and cheerful

 

[User00044]

That’s very true but it will drop like a stone. Fine if it’s a foxing gun with a max range of say 250y

I would hazard a guess that the majority of foxes shot during the hours of darkness are sub 150 yards . Yes , the trajectory will be the shape of a rainbow , I suspect there are a more than a few 221FB and 22 Hornet users who shoot plenty of foxes with lower velocities .
The point I was making was simply that the longer 55 grain SBK stabilises in a 14 twist at low velocity, therefore bullet stability shouldn't be a problem.
FT

 

[WSSX]

The point I was making was simply that the longer 55 grain SBK stabilises in a 14 twist at low velocity, therefore bullet stability shouldn't be a problem.

55gr SBK in a 14 twist now?! Those boys are longer still. I'd ruled them out as too exotic for my .222 but feel I'll need to experiment now. Stupid internet.

 

[NP435]

IMO its all the way the paper tore on impact. 1-14 should be fine yet maybe not, have you tried a shorter projectile such as the 50grn Blitzking?

 

[Scooby-3]

I would hazard a guess that the majority of foxes shot during the hours of darkness are sub 150 yards . Yes , the trajectory will be the shape of a rainbow , I suspect there are a more than a few 221FB and 22 Hornet users who shoot plenty of foxes with lower velocities .
The point I was making was simply that the longer 55 grain SBK stabilises in a 14 twist at low velocity, therefore bullet stability shouldn't be a problem.
FT

I haven’t tried the 55sbk in my 14 twist 223 but it stabilises the 55NBT fine and shoots them consistently in the .2 at 100yard.

Moved onto he 40SBK now though and again it shoot them in the .2-.3 consistently but I like the flatter tragedies of the lighter bullet for point and shoot Vermin etc

The 55 going 3200 is still better in the wind than the 40 going 3860 but currently opted for the 40’s

 

[Tulloch]

I wouldnt say there was any tumbling going on there ,

 

[kenbro]

. 222 rem 50 grain blitzking I'm not sure if my bullets a going sideways this was about 75 yards I took the target out to near 200 yards but they seemed to just be pretty nice holes

I am also wondering is about 2 inch groups at 200 yards OK for a. 222 rem? They are pretty much the same as the 75 yards group I was just pointing and shooting not hold over or anything?

That is an exceptional load, if, as you say, you are just pointing and shooting, no holding over or anything and yet the point of impact is pretty much the same at 75 yards as it is at 200 yards.
Would have expected 3 or 4 inches lower at 200.
Ken.

 

[User00013]

That is an exceptional load, if, as you say, you are just pointing and shooting, no holding over or anything and yet the point of impact is pretty much the same at 75 yards as it is at 200 yards.
Would have expected 3 or 4 inches lower at 200.
Ken.

I took the range finder out there a day or two after I put this up it was actually closer to 150 yard mark but I still thought it was a pretty flat shooting round I would be happy to take a shot at 200 the way its shooting now

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

Not unusual for a long BT/BT bullet in a 1:14” twist to hit the paper with a spiral trajectory that creates puckering on differing sides of the impact hole

Search on here
I had the same with a 52gr AMax

Your groups are not as bad as mine but if the length puts the bullet on the edge of stability if can still group reasonably well at short range

The increase from 1-2” at 200 could be the bullet as much as the shooter/conditions etc

 

[AndrewS]

Nice, I dont know what age My rifle is maybe my barrel is wore out

Don't you have to try very hard to wear out a .222 barrel? Having said that, we have a Sako 75 in that calibre, and after many thousand rounds at the range (and I mean maybe 10 - 12k...) it doesn't shoot anywhere near as well as it used to when new. A new barrel is on the cards but with the small Sako action you're pretty stuck for choice - .222, .223, .20 Tac, .204 and that's about it?

Back to your initial question - if the bullets are tumbling at 100m, wouldn't they still be tumbling at 200m? And there's no sign that they are.

 

[Sonicdmb73]

Don't you have to try very hard to wear out a .222 barrel? Having said that, we have a Sako 75 in that calibre, and after many thousand rounds at the range (and I mean maybe 10 - 12k...) it doesn't shoot anywhere near as well as it used to when new. A new barrel is on the cards but with the small Sako action you're pretty stuck for choice - .222, .223, .20 Tac, .204 and that's about it?

Back to your initial question - if the bullets are tumbling at 100m, wouldn't they still be tumbling at 200m? And there's no sign that they are.

6x45 and probably a few more. Our American cousins have plenty of AR platform wildcats other than the 20 Tac. Although if I were starting from scratch I would go 20 Practical.