6,5x55 fan club!

I'm a member of the 6.5x55 fan club! :D

It just seems to accurately shoot everything I feed it, no faffing about with OAL, just increase or decrease the charge to get the necessary velocity and it's shooting under an inch all day long.

I use the following in it and they all shoot easily under an inch:

85 grain Sierra Varmint @ 1000m/s - Beaver & Fox
139 grain Lapua Scenar HPBT @ 825m/s - Competition & training
155 grain Lapua Mega @ 780m/s - Roe deer, Wild Boar & Moose
 
Hi Daniel

I have only ever used a 6.5x55. I realise that it comes in at the low end of the scale it terms of power but I have never had problem regarding its abillities. I shoot Red,Sika and Roe in the Highlands so most animals are relatively small.

Reloading is a great way to improve accuracy and confidence but my gun has a shortened barrel (20inch) so I can't really achieve top end velocities. Hornady 129g SST bullets are my favorite deer round;Sierra Gameking 140g. are very accurate.

The final piece of the jigsaw is an Ase Utra Jet-Z in .270? size.....bliss!

Regards
 
I have an 8' 6" 5 weight Greys rod from the days when Greys used to build on Hardy blanks. I'd get rid off all the rest if it meant I could keep that one.

I've also got a 6.5 x 55 (Sako 85). I like it, but it'll take a while to top the rod.
 
liver and kidneys for evening meal a nice drop of red not a top claret though,the two roe this evening are not fans of 6.5 129g:thumb:
 
My own view of this calibre is well known on here,:lol: it is an adequate deer calibre that works best with lighter bullets weights in comparison with other main stream cartridges. In terms of muzzle energy produced it is a bit more powerful than a 243 and behind just about every other major deer calibre used in this country.

As for its use on Elk/Moose it was made the legal minimum for that species for one reason and one reason only, it was the service calibre of Sweden at the time, so it was the rifle just about every hunter carried, if the service calibre had been .303 British, 30-06 or 300 WM that would without a doubt be made the minimum for Moose. It was never a ballistic trial that brought about this law. Grizzly bears have been killed with 22rf and many an Elephant killed with a 6.5X54 or 7X57 using solid bullets, that does not make it the ideal weapon to do the job does it?

Daniel how many Moose have you shot with your 6.5?

What can a 6.5X55 do that a 6.8X62 (270) not? I will tell you nothing. Most factory ammo using 160gn bullets are not even legal for use in my country. :roll:

In conclusion there is nothing wrong with the calibre, it is adequate for UK stalking but don’t try and tell us it is any better than a 7X57, 308, 270, 30-06, the figures simply do not stack up.

Awaiting incoming from those that can’t read ballistic tables.:stir:

ATB

Tahr
 
My own view of this calibre is well known on here,:lol: it is an adequate deer calibre that works best with lighter bullets weights in comparison with other main stream cartridges. In terms of muzzle energy produced it is a bit more powerful than a 243 and behind just about every other major deer calibre used in this country.

As for its use on Elk/Moose it was made the legal minimum for that species for one reason and one reason only, it was the service calibre of Sweden at the time, so it was the rifle just about every hunter carried, if the service calibre had been .303 British, 30-06 or 300 WM that would without a doubt be made the minimum for Moose. It was never a ballistic trial that brought about this law. Grizzly bears have been killed with 22rf and many an Elephant killed with a 6.5X54 or 7X57 using solid bullets, that does not make it the ideal weapon to do the job does it?

Daniel how many Moose have you shot with your 6.5?

What can a 6.5X55 do that a 6.8X62 (270) not? I will tell you nothing. Most factory ammo using 160gn bullets are not even legal for use in my country. :roll:

In conclusion there is nothing wrong with the calibre, it is adequate for UK stalking but don’t try and tell us it is any better than a 7X57, 308, 270, 30-06, the figures simply do not stack up.

Awaiting incoming from those that can’t read ballistic tables.:stir:

ATB

Tahr
most important part of hunting is good shooting and knowledge of firearms and ballistic.
6,5x55 is not a more powerful round than 7x57 , 303, 3006 and not a better cartridge either, but it can kill large animals like moose due to the excellent SD of 156 grain bullets and lack of recoil which makes shooting more comfortable.
i can shoot up to 200 rounds 6,5x55 in same day, but after only 20 rounds from my 375 H&H i can get headache:(.
combination of low recoil and excellent accuracy and bullets with high SD makes 6,5x55 a good hunting round.
no i haven't used 6.5 for moose hunting, but i have seen and know that major part of yearly moose quota are killed by 6,5x55. as i said before if i meet a bear in the wood i prefer at least having one of my 06s or even better the 375H&H! but i am sure even with my 6,5 in my hand my chance of surviving is much better than the bear's:D.
 
most important part of hunting is good shooting and knowledge of firearms and ballistic.
6,5x55 is not a more powerful round than 7x57 , 303, 3006 and not a better cartridge either, but it can kill large animals like moose due to the excellent SD of 156 grain bullets and lack of recoil which makes shooting more comfortable.
i can shoot up to 200 rounds 6,5x55 in same day,

Daniel

A 160gn 270, a 175gn 7mm and a 220gn 30cal bullet all have the approximately the same or better SD than the 156gn 6.5 bullet, in addition they are heavier and when shot from a 270, 7X64 or 30-06 have a higher muzzle velocity:-D bearing the above do you not think these calibres would be better than a 6.5 for large game?

The reason you find the 6.5 easy on the shoulder is because of the moderate velocity, if you downloaded any of the other calibres to the velocity of the swede they too would feel as easy on the shoulder. For most UK stalker this is not a concern as we use moderators, in fact on our “state land” FC it is compulsory. When was the last time you shot 200 rounds of CF on game? I once got though 50 rounds of 270 in a afternoon no problem on game.

ATB

Tahr
 
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I shot my .270 and loved it i shot my 6.5 and loved it which one would i choose out of the two if i could only have one .My 6.5 It shoots the heavy bullets best grn 140s 155s were as the .270 didnt like anything much over 130. We know that the way the bullet deforms within the carcase is very important in the speed in which the animal dies the .270 could be in and out at close ranges with out to much reaction and most times on the reds and roe had them running on a fair bit not a problem when you have a good dog unless you shoot with in 20 mtrs of built up areas. The 6.5 and the way it kills , slow bullets maixmun transmition of energy to the animal works for me.
 
Thar I don't think anyone has said its miles better or even equal to other more modern cartridges.
Only that they like it and it works for them on the quarry they shoot.
Otherwise we would all goback to .308's.
I have had x2 .243's a .308 a .2506 still have a 7mm rem mag (which I love) but I wish I'd discovered the 6.5x55 20 years ago.
I do read many re-loading books ect the shithouse is full of them but I like the swede and it works for me and many of my clients who used to shoot other calibres and have tried my 6.5(finnlight) and next time they come they have one.
Back to my point they do work the deer have no idea they are slow and people like them.
Whats wrong with that?
I'm definatley a fan.
Regards John.
By the way I don't personally like .243's not even on roe but like .22250(in scotland) just find they do alot of damage.
Just MY opinion like you have yours.
 
Daniel

A 160gn 270, a 175gn 7mm and a 220gn 30cal bullet all have the approximately the same or better SD than the 156gn 6.5 bullet, in addition they are heavier and when shot from a 270, 7X64 or 30-06 have a higher muzzle velocity:-D bearing the above do you not think these calibres would be better than a 6.5 for large game?

The reason you find the 6.5 easy on the shoulder is because of the moderate velocity, if you downloaded any of the other calibres to the velocity of the swede they too would feel as easy on the shoulder. For most UK stalker this is not a concern as we use moderators, in fact on our “state land” FC it is compulsory. When was the last time you shot 200 rounds of CF on game? I once got though 50 rounds of 270 in a afternoon no problem on game.

ATB

Tahr

wait a moment no you are not fair now. 160 grain in 270 and even 175 gr in 7mm has much less SD than 156 gr in 6,5x55 only 220 gr in 30 caliber kan match the 6.5 with 156-160 gr bullets! and you are welcome to shoot my little mannlicher in 3006 and factory loaded 220 gr:-D to see how much recoil is different;) even @ 2300-2400 fps which is much less than factory loaded 6,5x55 with 156 gr is around (2600 fps) still the 6,5x55 has much less recoil than a 3006 with 220 gr@2300fps!
The 6,5x55 loaded with 156 gr presents a much better(ballistic) less drop and very much less recoil than 3006 with 220 gr bullet of same shape,
i am not a maniac nor a such a bad shot to need shooting 200 rounds on game!! in one day, but i like training moving target ( swedish traditional running moose)to be sure that the first shot will hit the right place;) and maybe I'll not need to shoot 50 rounds at game in same day:Dand in one afternoon!!!
it happened many time that i have shot plenty of rounds at moving targets in same day! but i can't rememeber i have shot twice at the same game. they drop nearly always with one shot!LOL
i love my 3006 and 375 too, but 6,5x55 is a really good round and in a modern gun can be loaded at much higher velocity if needed, because the factory ammos are loaded with low pressure for old mauser 96 rifles.
cheers
daniel
 
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wait a moment no you are not fair now. 160 grain in 270 and even 175 gr in 7mm has much less SD than 156 gr in 6,5x55 only 220 gr in 30 caliber kan match the 6.5 with 156-160 gr bullets! and you are welcome to shoot my little mannlicher in 3006 and factory loaded 220 gr:-D to see how much recoil is different;) even @ 2300-2400 fps which is much less than factory loaded 6,5x55 with 156 gr is around (2600 fps) still the 6,5x55 has much less recoil than a 3006 with 220 gr@2300fps!
The 6,5x55 loaded with 156 gr presents a much better(ballistic) less drop and very much less recoil than 3006 with 220 gr bullet of same shape,
i am not a maniac nor a such a bad shot to need shooting 200 rounds on game!! in one day, but i like training moving target ( swedish traditional running moose)to be sure that the first shot will hit the right place;) and maybe I'll not need to shoot 50 rounds at game in same day:Dand in one afternoon!!!
it happened many time that i have shot plenty of rounds at moving targets in same day! but i can't rememeber i have shot twice at the same game. they drop nearly always with one shot!LOL
i love my 3006 and 375 too, but 6,5x55 is a really good round and in a modern gun can be loaded at much higher velocity if needed, because the factory ammos are loaded with low pressure for old mauser 96 rifles.
cheers
daniel

I'm with you Daniel, 6.5 is a great hunting calibre and those high sectional density (heavy for calibre) bullets, that are well designed for bigger game, make it much more capable than most people realise.

I shoot 6.5 - 284 (ok it's a Hotrod 6.5x55, but not by all that much) with 140 and 156 grain bullets and I'd say it's the equal of my .30-06 loaded with 150 and 180 grain bullets in any UK shooting environment.. with less recoil and even flatter trajectories :cool:

Bullet choice and load are the key considerations.
 
Tamus hit the nail on the head, bullet choice is I think the key to the swede.
Being so underpowered for elk, some "Elk" bullets are designed to hold together very well
to achieve the incredible penetration of going through an elk. Now, these "Elk" bullets are
sold to our deer hunters resulting in lost deer due to over penetration or lack of delivering
energy...they just pencil through the chest of a small deer. If the width of a small Sika
heart shot side on is about 4-5" we could expect to have the energy of a 22 hornet delivered
maybe even less. Hence the reputation for little meat damage.
In Ireland the swede became fairly unpopular in the last years, possibly because the ammo
choice was very limited in some areas. Plenty rifles on the second hand market.

Once the bullet is matched to the game the swede would be fine.

edi
 
i too love my tikka 6.5x55 , its all ive used for the last 2-3 yrs and before that i used a .243 .

nowerdays im using a .270 which ive loaded 130gn speer spbt's down to my usuall 6.5x55 speed at 2800fps to try and reduce meat damage !

why not use the 6.5 i hear you say ? well ive not had the .270 all that long and im still getting used to it .

if i could only have 1 rifle it would be the 6.5x55 every time , ive used and loaded 120gn , 129gn,140gn and 160gn hornady round nose bullet(bloody pity them dont make them anymore:() all with half inch accuracy and with great dependability !

god bless the sweede !:D

cheers lee
 
Thar I don't think anyone has said its miles better or even equal to other more modern cartridges.
Only that they like it and it works for them on the quarry they shoot.
Back to my point they do work the deer have no idea they are slow and people like them.
Whats wrong with that?
Just MY opinion like you have yours.

Hi John

As I have said before caliber discussions are largely academic, although you seem to have a balanced view of the caliber others seem to believe that the Swede defeats the laws of physics.:cuckoo: As far as liking or not liking a particular caliber I think of them like women, I can usually find something to like in them all.:-D Any way it is not easy coming on here and trying to explain that it does not possess some kind of magic. :zzz:

wait a moment no you are not fair now. 160 grain in 270 and even 175 gr in 7mm has much less SD than 156 gr in 6,5x55 only 220 gr in 30 caliber kan match the 6.5 with 156-160 gr bullets

Daniel if you are going to be pedantic this will take a long time, I said “approximately the same.” The facts are:-

156gn 6.5 bullet SD .320
160gn 270 bullet SD .298
175gn 7mm bullet SD .310
220gn 30 bullet SD .331

The 6.5 has about 7% better SD than the worse bullet listed, the 270, however using your quoted 2400fps for your 6.5 in comparison to a full house 270 reload you are looking at a muzzle energy of 1994 ft/lbs, against 2885 ft/lbs for the 270, now which ever way you cut it that is a massive difference. :eek:

If you need to shoot 200 rounds of practice rounds there is nothing to stop you down loading the other calibers for this and run your full house reloads for hunting, then you would have the best of both worlds. You never feel recoil when shooting game any way.


The 6,5x55 loaded with 156 gr presents a much better(ballistic) less drop and very much less recoil than 3006 with 220 gr bullet of same shape,

No you are wrong; the 220gn drops less than the 156gn bullet when both loaded equally.
156gn bullet at 2400fps drops 6.4” at 200 yards
220gn bullet at 2500fps drops 5.6 at 200 yards
Although when shooting running game especially the size of moose it is got to be completely academic which drops the less.

While the 30-06 will recoil more than the 6.5 it is producing more energy. Newton’s law states:- “that for each force there is an equal and opposite one.”

The more powerful the cartridges the more recoil even the Swede can not defy physics.:???: It recoils less because it is not as powerful; in the UK we don’t in general have to worry too much about recoil as even magnums are pussy cats to shoot with a moderator fitted.


ATB

Tahr
 
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You can argue bullistics technics forever but
Its not always the shot that counts but the clot behind the shot.:doh::stir:
I,m off to bed then out at 545am to find some roe and maybe fallow with my 6.5x55.:smug:
 


Hi John

As I have said before caliber discussions are largely academic, although you seem to have a balanced view of the caliber others seem to believe that the Swede defeats the laws of physics.:cuckoo: As far as liking or not liking a particular caliber I think of them like women, I can usually find something to like in them all.:-D Any way it is not easy coming on here and trying to explain that it does not possess some kind of magic. :zzz:



Daniel if you are going to be pedantic this will take a long time, I said “approximately the same.” The facts are:-

156gn 6.5 bullet SD .320
160gn 270 bullet SD .298
175gn 7mm bullet SD .310
220gn 30 bullet SD .331

The 6.5 has about 7% better SD than the worse bullet listed, the 270, however using your quoted 2400fps for your 6.5 in comparison to a full house 270 reload you are looking at a muzzle energy of 1994 ft/lbs, against 2885 ft/lbs for the 270, now which ever way you cut it that is a massive difference. :eek:

If you need to shoot 200 rounds of practice rounds there is nothing to stop you down loading the other calibers for this and run your full house reloads for hunting, then you would have the best of both worlds. You never feel recoil when shooting game any way.




No you are wrong; the 220gn drops less than the 156gn bullet when both loaded equally.
156gn bullet at 2400fps drops 6.4” at 200 yards
220gn bullet at 2500fps drops 5.6 at 200 yards
Although when shooting running game especially the size of moose it is got to be completely academic which drops the less.

While the 30-06 will recoil more than the 6.5 it is producing more energy. Newton’s law states:- “that for each force there is an equal and opposite one.”

The more powerful the cartridges the more recoil even the Swede can not defy physics.:???: It recoils less because it is not as powerful; in the UK we don’t in general have to worry too much about recoil as even magnums are pussy cats to shoot with a moderator fitted.


ATB

Tahr
sorry again you are comparing apples and oranges.
factory loaded 220 grain in 3006 generates 2410 fps and not 2500 fps
and 156 gr factory loaded 6,5x55 generates 780 ms=2560 fps(norma) and 2630 fps by Sako
and what makes less drop is BC of bullet(shape) which means a 220 grain pointed like 220 gr sierra spbt maybe even at 2400 fps may drop less then a round nose 156 gr in 6,5x55 even at 2560 fps factory loaded,
in reality there are no company loading 3006 with pointed 220 gr hunting bullet and not higher than 2410 fps, and not loading with pointed bullets too because 1/10 twist rate of 3006 rifles can't stabilise such a long bullet!!
but in reality 6,5x55 rifles with their 1/8 inch twist rate can stabilise 156 gr and 160 grain very well.
140 grain 6,5 has 0.287 sd
and 150 grain in 270 has 0.279 and
if you compare 6,5x55 with 140 grain loaded to 2800 fps + is very near to 270 win and 150 grain loading at 2900 fps and in this case 6,5 have better sd than 270 for better penetration!!
here some facts about 6,5x55
Norma 6,5x55 factory loaded with140 grain nosler @2700 fps is a potent round generate 2250 fpe energy and is enough potent for nearly all kind of deers in europe.
RWS 140 gr DK generates 870 ms/2854 fps which is not far behind 270 in velocity and with better SD too.
RWS 6,5 x 55 DK 9,1G
Code N° 2116995
BALLISTIC DATA
RWS
V[m/s]: 870= 2854 fps 820 771 724 679 635 593
E[J]: 3444 3059 2705 2385 2098 1835 1600
50m 100m 150m 200m 250m 300m
100 m -0.7 0 -3.5 -11.6 -25.1 -44.7
MRD 175 m 1.3 4 2.6 -3.6 -15 -32.6
i have tested this load from my husqvarna rifle with 60 cm barrel it generates 852-857 meter per second around 2800 fps!
their 127 gr kone point has 2900 fps at muzzle according to RWS.
6,5x55 is a potent load in modern factory loads and not far behind 270 win and difference is very marginal and more on the paper than in the field!
here sako ammos table
6.5x55 SE 119E RACEHEAD 9.0 139 gr■ LR N160 2.75 / 42,4 850 803 758 714 3251 2903 2587 2296 0.7 2.2 0 -6.2 -16.7 -31.7 175 20 500
6.5x55 SE 120E GAMEHEAD 10,1 156 gr ■ - LR N160 2.70 / 41,7 800 720 644 574 3232 2616 2096 1662 1.4 3.1 0 -8.4 -22.7 -43.6 159 20 500
850 ms is 2788 fps for 139 grain and 800 ms is 2630 fps for the 156 grain loads!
all these loads can be improved by hand loading too, because factory loads are loaded att low pressure !! due to a large amounts of old miltary rifles around here!
6,5x55 with 156 gr bullet do not have 2400 fps at muzzle velocity unlike 220 gr in 3006 and with 156 gr it has 2560 fps and has killed and kills loads of moose which are much larger deers than red deer every year .
the only games that 6,5x55 could be marginal is bear or big boars which 3006-308 are in lowest scale and 9,3x62 is better choice and even 270 could be marginal too.!
after all shot placement and bullet's quality and weight is much more important than a few fp energy more at muzzle!
your ballistic infos about 6,5x55 are not correct, please take a look in some ammo maker's sites !
regards
daniel
 
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Tis very true that many moose are killed with 6.5x55 every year . I've never thought moose were that hard to kill though. Would i use a 6.5x55 if i was going boar hunting? No. Read an article , i think it was in Svensk jakt magazine on the % of follow up on wounded boar = calibre. The 6.5 had the highest % of wounded boar At 26% as i recall The 9.3 the lowest. Have recently thrown away years of old Svensk jakt so can't find the article now.
 
Tis very true that many moose are killed with 6.5x55 every year . I've never thought moose were that hard to kill though. Would i use a 6.5x55 if i was going boar hunting? No. Read an article , i think it was in Svensk jakt magazine on the % of follow up on wounded boar = calibre. The 6.5 had the highest % of wounded boar At 26% as i recall The 9.3 the lowest. Have recently thrown away years of old Svensk jakt so can't find the article now.
i totally agree with you and have mentioned too that 6.5x55 is not a good choice for bears and boars and 270 is not much better either!
specially wounded bears and boars can get nasty!and 9,3 is great for this purpose, but 9,3 is not as felexible as 6,5.
6,5 is more all round caliber ideal for hunting capercailles or varmints and stalking roe and very capable for fallow or red deer too
. hunting smal game and varmint with 9,3 is overkill and finding good varmint smal game load in 9,3 is difficult too.
the 6,5x55 is a wonderful deer caliber no matter their seize from roe up to moose!
there is no such a caliber covenient for all kind of hunting!
it is why i have even a 3006 and 375 too:-D
 
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