6.5 or what

Any new wonder cartridge is an excellent choice for the discerning chap wishing to remain at a level peg with Mr or Mrs Jones

It also assists in placing food on the table for the marketing people and the riflesmiths engaged to Rebarrel otherwise excellent weapons to something “new”

Long may it continue 😂

6.5 Skan is a superb cartridge

As is 6.5/57, 260 Rem, 6.5-284 etc etc etc etc
 
Ouch! Jeez guys - it was an entirely honest and perhaps innocent question from an old shooter new to this site - seems like I may have trodden on a few still sensitive CM toes......
Enjoy the swede if you have it, should you want a creedmore get one too, not whole huge difference really.I have a swede and probably never a creedmore only because I have plenty other rifles that do the same thing. After reading your post again I think you see the reality of the situation its the apples vs green apples argument.
 
So next, do we go to the 6mm CM v 243win?
It’s a bang/shut case in favour of the 6mm Creedmoor, but believe me there’s enough thick/stubborn/argumentative types around on forums to make the exercise of proving it an exercise in purest futility. So the easier and far more satisfactory answer is: What I say is correct, what you think is irrelevant because I own both and shoot them a lot, you own maybe one but probably neither and hence I don’t give a shite what you think!
 
I own a Sako 75 in .243 (how retro) and it is my 'go to' gun for small deer.

A couple of months ago (in between lockdowns) I was at Bisley with an 'off sight' .303 and having an absolute shocker.
One of the other members too pity on me and lent me his 6.5CM to have a go with.
I was on the point at 300 yards and that rifle drilled ten rounds into the bull. It was also delightful to shoot.
 
Silly question from a novice reloader. If the swede and CM shoot the same bullet. And the swede has the capacity for more powder.. is it not possible to get the same performance accuracy wise and realistically in the field / long range with the 6.5x55? Excluding the fact that the swede may be fractionally less efficient but don’t they basically come full circle to the same thing? Appreciate factory bought is a different game.
 
Silly question from a novice reloader. If the swede and CM shoot the same bullet. And the swede has the capacity for more powder.. is it not possible to get the same performance accuracy wise and realistically in the field / long range with the 6.5x55? Excluding the fact that the swede may be fractionally less efficient but don’t they basically come full circle to the same thing? Appreciate factory bought is a different game.

Yes...with some caveats.

There are technicalities which on paper make the CM the better design for long range accuracy (precision) but for most posting here, I suspect the rifles would have more potential than most of us could extract from them. If you like the 'x55 there's no incentive nor need to swap it for a 6.5CM unless you want a shorter action, in which case you also have the 260Rem and 'x 47 Lapua to consider too...

Personally, I have an itch for a 7mm-08 as a great all rounder.
 
Yes...with some caveats.

There are technicalities which on paper make the CM the better design for long range accuracy (precision) but for most posting here, I suspect the rifles would have more potential than most of us could extract from them. If you like the 'x55 there's no incentive nor need to swap it for a 6.5CM unless you want a shorter action, in which case you also have the 260Rem and 'x 47 Lapua to consider too...

Personally, I have an itch for a 7mm-08 as a great all rounder.

Interesting to know. Just starting with a swede myself but early stages.

aren’t all the new Tikkas now the same,”one size fits all” action? I’ve picked up a short action/.222 recently and I’m not entirely sure what the fuss is about with the short vs long action debate
 

Yep - followed by "where did that deer go then??"
You do realise that I'm talking about shooting bits of metal at long range? Or has the point escaped you?

With a 100 yard zero the same rifle kills deer "point and print" up to 150 yards (inch high at 25 yards, inch low at 150) It drops 2 inches at 175 yards. I think that would do on any engine room shot.
 
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You do realise that I'm talking about shooting bits of metal at long range? Or has the point escaped you?

With a 100 yard zero the same rifle kills deer "point and print" up to 150 yards (inch high at 25 yards, inch low at 150) It drops 2 inches at 175 yards. I think that would do on any engine room shot.
But of course! My comment however referred to dialling in for deer which unlike bits of metal (which I also enjoy shooting) have a very annoying habit of not keeping still!
 
Silly question from a novice reloader. If the swede and CM shoot the same bullet. And the swede has the capacity for more powder.. is it not possible to get the same performance accuracy wise and realistically in the field / long range with the 6.5x55? Excluding the fact that the swede may be fractionally less efficient but don’t they basically come full circle to the same thing? Appreciate factory bought is a different game.

The larger the case and powder charge in relation to the bore size / area, the less efficient the cartridge (assuming same bullet, barrel length and maximum allowed pressure). The rule of thumb is that if you change case capacity by X% compared to another design in the same calibre, MV change = X divided by 4 %. So, to increase a hypothetical bullet's MV of 2,800 fps by 100 fps to 2,900 (a 3.57% increase) you need to increase the case size / charge weight by 3.57 X 4, or 14-15% give or take.

Of course, there are times when a larger case / charge are needed simply to increase MV / ME beyond a given point. So the 6.5X47 Lapua is more efficient than say the 6.5 PRC, but can't produce the same velocities if they're needed.

'If they're needed' links into the action length marketing issue in the USA - to sell a long action sporting rifle in that market it has to accommodate a cartridge whose performance is such that it needs the greater length / capacity. As the 6.5X55 has no greater performance than the short-action orientated 260 or 6.5 Creedmoor models (less performance actually in its anemic US factory loadings) you simply can't sell long-action rifles chambered for it in the world's largest sporting rifle market.

The 6.5X55 is an anachronism (on paper at any rate) being as already pointed out in earlier posts an early 1890s design whose loadings / pressures were limited by action strengths and which needed a 55mm length case to accommodate the low-energy / bulky powders of that era. A similar example is the US 1906 30-06 Springfield with its 63mm case to give a 150gn bullet a mere 2,700 fps from a 24-inch barrel M1903 rifle, a velocity easily matched - and exceeded - by the much smaller 1950s design 7.62X51mm / 308 Win. As with many early military designs it'd be restricted to historic arms paper-punchers and a few deerstalking eccentrics if it weren't for regional historic reasons as traditionally 'hunters' adopted successful military designs. So Scandy sporting shooters kept the 6.5X55 alive, German (and some African) equivalents did the same for 8X57 and 7X57mm, Americans did for the 30-06 etc. (We're odd man out given the near complete loss of the 303 in stalking.)

In practical terms, as has been said again and again (ad nauseum) 260 Rem, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5X47mm, 6.5X55m all do the same job on British deer and it comes down to whether you handload or buy your ammo, and if the latter then choice / availability / price. Creedmoor and 6.5X55 win out every time for the ammo buyer here; take you pick - for whatever reason - out of any of them if you handload. Match shooters have rather different criteria / requirements changing the process and results to some extent.
 
But of course! My comment however referred to dialling in for deer which unlike bits of metal (which I also enjoy shooting) have a very annoying habit of not keeping still!
If you don't dial in or hold off you will only hit your aim point at one distance. Ok if you don't mind or limit the distance either side of zero.
SKAN, does that have a CIP approval? or is it based on CIP values? Same pressure as CIP?
Many, myself included never touched a 6.5mm because of the outdated 6.5x55 or niche 260 or target niche 6.5x47. Only since the 6.5CM came out 6.5mm became really popular which proves the others all had flaws.
Swede's flaw 1) Long action 2) low max pressure (CIP) which might not suit modern powders. These two factors are enough to put people off. Exactly the same issue as with 6.5x57, 7x57, 8x57.
I guess 260 and 6.5x47 were just not promoted enough, although some might argue the CM design is better than both.
Overall the 6.5CM suits modern rifles and magazine systems better than the others and was long overdue.
I don't think the 6.5x55 will go away however there will be less and less new rifles made for it no matter how much the Swedes promote it.

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