Price of puppies..

[Dan Newcombe]

Even £2,000 for a pup is only about £250 a year over its ‘useful’ life.

Weekly threads moaning about the prove isn’t going to make a difference. We advertised a young cocker recently for strong money and it was a tidal wave of enquiries, she ended up going to a great home for a bit less but a lot more than we would have expected 2 years ago.

If you are looking to buy a dog now - either find the money or find someone who is selling cheap, those are your options other than not buying a dog but I can’t see prices falling to 2019 values any time soon.

You could also breed a Bitch of your own and sell the pups and less than half market price and deal with all the enquiries and pain in the arse that comes with pups.

 

[Delwint]

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[HertsMark]

There’s a litter of Labs in my area with the “silver gene” in them at £3000 !!!! ,
Not everyone is on the gravy train though, a very good friend of mine who runs dogs with me had a mishap , one of his springers got over one of his cocker bitches unintentionally which produced six pups , very well bred parents I may add but a mistake mating of sprockers , legally docked , chipped , properly reared and sold them at £400 , everyone that took them were delighted and commented they were too cheap !
ive been involved with and bred gun dogs for over 35 years and never heard of a “silver gene” in labs but I have in ferrets !!

Paul

Paul I am led to believe silver labs are just labs that have been crossed with Weimaraner’s in their lineage

 

[Deutsch - Drahthaar]

I have just bought a GWP pup from top German/Danish lines and have to collect at 15 weeks old. Believe it or not, It will cost me slightly less all in to drive to Denmark and back than it would to buy a mediocre GWP pup in the UK at todays prices.

 

[jimmy milnes]

I have just bought a GWP pup from top German/Danish lines and have to collect at 15 weeks old. Believe it or not, It will cost me slightly less all in to drive to Denmark and back than it would to buy a mediocre GWP pup in the UK at todays prices.

Oh I believe you matey. I, like a few others on the site, have done exactly the same thing

 

[Kjf]

Even £2,000 for a pup is only about £250 a year over its ‘useful’ life.

Weekly threads moaning about the prove isn’t going to make a difference. We advertised a young cocker recently for strong money and it was a tidal wave of enquiries, she ended up going to a great home for a bit less but a lot more than we would have expected 2 years ago.

If you are looking to buy a dog now - either find the money or find someone who is selling cheap, those are your options other than not buying a dog but I can’t see prices falling to 2019 values any time soon.

You could also breed a Bitch of your own and sell the pups and less than half market price and deal with all the enquiries and pain in the arse that comes with pups.

Breeding pups .....


Shouldnt be a pain in the arse , as you say .............

How much u selling them for?????? Lol lol lol lol


your a wrong un ££££££££££££££££££

 

[Dan Newcombe]

It’s not breeding and raising pups that’s the pain in the arse - it’s the dealing with the people buying them, regardless of the price. It’s always when people who are a pain.

When the time comes il be selling at the market price unless I know and like the buyer - that’s how these things work.

When everyone is selling carcasses they moan about how little the dealers are paying but when the boot is on the other foot everything needs to be cheaper.

 

[Keith Edmunds]

It’s not breeding and raising pups that’s the pain in the arse - it’s the dealing with the people buying them, regardless of the price. It’s always when people who are a pain.

When the time comes il be selling at the market price unless I know and like the buyer - that’s how these things work.

When everyone is selling carcasses they moan about how little the dealers are paying but when the boot is on the other foot everything needs to be cheaper.

You are not wrong Dan but there is 'middle ground'. The pups don't have to be either cheap or dear. Pups can still be sold at a price that covers ALL costs, that reflects their breeding, and yet isn't in the 'taking the ****' bracket.

 

[levigsp]

It’s not breeding and raising pups that’s the pain in the arse - it’s the dealing with the people buying them, regardless of the price. It’s always when people who are a pain.

When the time comes il be selling at the market price unless I know and like the buyer - that’s how these things work.

When everyone is selling carcasses they moan about how little the dealers are paying but when the boot is on the other foot everything needs to be cheaper.

The difference is you are selling a commodity in a carcase and there are not bands of thieves about stealing carcases. breeding puppies and selling at stupidly inflated prices is fueling the dog thieves fire. if puppies cost £600 each the dogs thieves in the main would vanish under the rocks they came from.

 

[Dan Newcombe]

No - but there are poachers whacking everything they see on the lamp and night vision for the cash when prices are good so maybe poor venison value has an upside?

Dogs are a commodity - they are bought and sold (usually as puppies). If your dealer offered you £1/kg but someone else was offering £3/kg who would you sell to on the basis that both dealers had the same payment terms and were equally decent people? Just because people are paying mad money at the moment doesn’t mean the homes are any less suitable, just because they aren’t necessarily working doesn’t mean that they are necessarily bad homes (I’d go as far as to say that a lot of pet homes are better than working homes based on my experiences) - I wouldn’t rehome old working dogs to ‘working style’ homes ie. still in a kennel because they might as well stay here. They go to homes where they will live in the house so why would that type of home not be any good from a pup.

It’s mad how prices and demand have gone through the roof in the last 12 months but we need to accept that is the case. I cannot for the life of me understand where the people are coming from for quite so many to be wanting dogs that didn’t before but it doesn’t look like it’s going to stop any time soon.

There is definitely a middle ground but it is not at sub £1,000 for a pup, people lamenting the dog they got 30 years ago for free is fine but that was a long time ago.


Like I said, you are likely to get a better price if the breeder knows and likes you but joe public will get the joe public price from most people.

If you don’t like the prices, breed your own dogs and sell the surplus puppies at a massive discount from the market price - that’s up to you and I would imagine your arm would be snapped off for well bred, tested and well produced puppies for £750.

 

[Keith Edmunds]

There is definitely a middle ground but it is not at sub £1,000 for a pup, people lamenting the dog they got 30 years ago for free is fine but that was a long time ago.

I agree and I think it is between £1000 and £1500

 

[Dan Newcombe]

Didn’t want to put a number on it but £1,500 was where my guy was pointing.

 

[Red Dragon 2]

Just seen an advert for cross St Bernard/Newfoundland £6000, the world has gone crazy!!!

 

[LuckyEddie]

Reading in the news recently that the Dog’s Trust has received 1800 calls in the past 3mths asking to take in puppies or young dogs that have become to much work for the owners.
As lockdown eases I think prices will drop also the market will be saturated by people who have not planned for what happens as the puppy grows older!

 

[Keith Edmunds]

Just seen an advert for cross St Bernard/Newfoundland £6000, the world has gone crazy!!!

At that price I'd at least expect it to be happy.......................................................I'll get my coat.

 

[Scotty99]

I’ve heard but not verified that a breeder recently got £35,000 for a litter of Spingers. So assuming 8 in the litter that’s just over £4K per pup.

Not surprising so many dogs are being stolen.

 

[Red Dragon 2]

(Keith)

 

[GeoffWood]

Now that prices are in the £1000's for a pup, I wonder if the tax people will be taking an interest?
It is certainly a very lucrative marketplace.

 

[Keith Edmunds]

I’ve heard but not verified that a breeder recently got £35,000 for a litter of Spingers. So assuming 8 in the litter that’s just over £4K per pup.

Not surprising so many dogs are being stolen.

Likewise a friend had a litter of 12 working-bred dachshunds at £2500......Do the math as they say = £30k all cuddled up in the dog basket. And yes, he is a friend.

Puppy prices are like politics and religion - we may have different opinions on these matters, but that doesn't affect the friendship as long as........One does not thrust his own opinions onto to the other.

Interestingly, the only other people that we know in our breed who have kept their prices at sub £1500 are very successful show breeders, in fact two of the most successful show kennels in the UK - both have been going 25 yrs plus and have waiting lists as long as your arm. All of the 'working bred' kennels that I know are selling for over £1500 per pup, most of them well over that!!. That might change a few peoples notions on breeders??

 

[Keith Edmunds]

Now that prices are in the £1000's for a pup, I wonder if the tax people will be taking an interest?
It is certainly a very lucrative marketplace.

Generally how it works is the tax man takes interest in those breeding more than 2 litters a year, as they should be registered breeders anyway. The KC pass on registration info so it is clear to see how many litters are being bred.

The loophole is that many breeders who are not registered breeders are breeding additional litters but not registering with the KC, therefore under the radar.

Currently most of those buying are not bothered if a pup is KC reg or not and currently, it does not impact the asking price. One look at Pets for Homes will reveal non KC reg WH dachshunds at £2500 plus. All I can advise is that buyers do their homework and plenty of research beforehand.