Price of puppies..

[Dawnrazor]

Good evening ,

did you end up breeding you springers in the end ?

I did but she never took which was a disaster for me.

 

[nugget1993]

I did but she never took which was a disaster for me.

Sorry to hear !

 

[Keith Edmunds]

This is an eye opener!!!!

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Just did a quick average of the first page - average price £2630. One litter of 1 week old pups is classed as "show quality".....That is hilarious - if anyone can gauge a 'show quality' at less than 3 months I'd like to know how..but at 1 week You couldn't write it.

There is also a litter on there being sold by a known working dog man but under an alias name.......As he publicly decries selling at inflated prices - yet privately does just that!!

 

[rafael fach]

Here i am thinking of breeding my ess bitch she is of a very specific breed registered but not tested the spe⁸citivity is that she has no links guaranteed to one of the most prolific trialing lines in Britain today ,the lines are purely working and not trialing what I will say is that the progeny of this kennel get exported all over the world as hunting / search and other specialist services does this with the right stud make her pups worth less than something with red lines all over their papers i would be interested to have some feedback- thoughts about trialing as against pure working lines as in my opinion there is a vast difference between the two
my bitches as I have two of the same breeding will accompany on the foreshore am hunt -beat -pick up 9 am -3.30pm then retrieve from the ponds -estuary in the evening Without any complaints they also are family pets

 

[Keith Edmunds]

Here i am thinking of breeding my ess bitch she is of a very specific breed registered but not tested the spe⁸citivity is that she has no links guaranteed to one of the most prolific trialing lines in Britain today ,the lines are purely working and not trialing what I will say is that the progeny of this kennel get exported all over the world as hunting / search and other specialist services does this with the right stud make her pups worth less than something with red lines all over their papers i would be interested to have some feedback- thoughts about trialing as against pure working lines as in my opinion there is a vast difference between the two
my bitches as I have two of the same breeding will accompany on the foreshore am hunt -beat -pick up 9 am -3.30pm then retrieve from the ponds -estuary in the evening Without any complaints they also are family pets

The reason this 'price of pups' topic is so emotive is because it is totally subjective. One mans meat is another mans poison.

The price one decides upon is largely based on what the vendor perceives is the 'worth'. If you have your own criterion and you believe that the resulting pups would reach or exceed those standards then you base your price on that. Hopefully, others will share your values and will also rate the pups at the same level.

There really isn't a 'right or wrong' but, hypothetically, if you are the only person on earth who believes the pups are worth the price that you place on them....you are unlikely to sell them at that price.

 

[csl]

To those newly registered who think 'here's the perfect chance to drop an Ad'... don't.

 

[Overlay]

This is an eye opener!!!!

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Just did a quick average of the first page - average price £2630. One litter of 1 week old pups is classed as "show quality".....That is hilarious - if anyone can gauge a 'show quality' at less than 3 months I'd like to know how..but at 1 week You couldn't write it.

There is also a litter on there being sold by a known working dog man but under an alias name.......As he publicly decries selling at inflated prices - yet privately does just that!!

Hi Keith
hope all is well

what is pra/lafora in dachshunds, is it a condition or fault.
cheers

phil

 

[Keith Edmunds]

Hi Keith
hope all is well

what is pra/lafora in dachshunds, is it a condition or fault.
cheers

phil

Hi Phil, all good thanks, hope it is with you.

Lafora is a potential issue with miniatures/zwergs.

We do not routinely check for PRA in the UK, it isn't a known fault here and people who do test are testing for different PRA's. On the continent, they do test for PRA and cataracts and also Osteoimperfecta (O/I). Therefore you will find most imports are from PRA/Cataract/OI clear parents.

 

[Keith Edmunds]

Hi Phil, all good thanks, hope it is with you.

Lafora is a potential issue with miniatures/zwergs.

We do not routinely check for PRA in the UK, it isn't a known fault here and people who do test are testing for different PRA's. On the continent, they do test for PRA and cataracts and also Osteoimperfecta (O/I). Therefore you will find most imports are from PRA/Cataract/OI clear parents.

Referring to 'standard' size re the PRA/OI/Cataract.

 

[daven]

how long have prices been up? just curious... haven't paid attention until this thread but they are nuts here also...
inconvenience for someone looking for a dog..... but dangerous to the animals... I can see plenty of throwing males and females together for a litter without thought of health, temperament, bloodlines....... mutts have prices of 600+
.....
I have the feeling here that it has to do with the lockdowns.... you can walk your dog outside of curfew...
it's gonna take a long time to repair the damage.....

 

[Uncas]

The O.P made the same comment that I made a year ago, and got my head chewed off for my trouble.
If you will pay these inflated prices, you have no one to blame but yourselves.
You don't need a pedigree pup to hunt with a good cross-breed pup from the right stock will do.

 

[daven]

The O.P made the same comment that I made a year ago, and got my head chewed off for my trouble.
If you will pay these inflated prices, you have no one to blame but yourselves.
You don't need a pedigree pup to hunt with a good cross-breed pup from the right stock will do.

it's the Hollywood hunters that are too good to use a mutt... or anything that isn't a hunting breed...

 

[Keith Edmunds]

There is certainly a knock-on effect too. As I have previously mentioned, we have seen puppy related vet bills rising (progesterone tests/scans/vet checks) I am now also starting to see a global increase or an increase in price of a pup destined for the UK. Overseas breeders are seeing our £2.5K price tags and assuming all in the UK are charging it and all are prepared to pay it.

In our breed, continental breeders of dual purpose types or working bred lines that also have exceptional conformation - what I call overall top quality - have increased from 800-1200 euros to 1100 to 1500 euros. I am still very happy to pay this for a top quality pup that needs to be cared for for 4 months and have additional vaccinations plus export pedigree.

 

[Keith Edmunds]

Your dad could be Ronaldo it doesnt mean youre guaranteed to be a world class footballer.

Im sure those that have paid 3k for a puppy will be very quiet on this.

This is using the same logic as the amusing gag that Frank Sinatra's brother couldn't sing a note. Funny as it is, the logic has no relevance to performance breeding generation after generation.

Did Frank Sinatra come from an unbroken line of 10 or more generations of top class singers on both parents side of the family? I very much doubt it and I am sure it is the same with Ronaldo (playing football, not singing, I hasten to add, but I believe Julio Iglesias was good at both!)

When you can trace a pedigree back 100 years and find working champions after working champions in every generation, such commitment is worth more on the price tag, IMHO. Of course, there is still an element of luck but you are surely stacking everything up in your favour with such a lineage choice.

But I agree, £3k for a pup is way too much.

 

[Delwint]

I think this one takes the award for the most expensive!!!!! A Snow White Labrador, I’d be wanting all seven dwarfs thrown in too

 

[Gsd99]

@Keith Edmunds you raise at good point but with all the will in the world it is just an animal, insurance (usually) covers the chance of ill health but there is nothing to cover the chances of the dog being bad at its 'job'. You are right with the stacking of odds in your own favour but in my opinion (and maybe a few others) the prices have generally gone way too far. Its also all very well saying you can track a dogs lineage back 100 years but what about non kc reg dogs fetching similar money or even kc reg fraud which i think is more common than many people realise.

At the end of it all, more dogs will suffer as a consequence of the situation right now. Im not saying just because people have run out and paid £££ means they dont care for the dog, its the rushed and ill thought out decision making that will make the dogs suffer. The price increase is just another annoying but less significant point

 

[Keith Edmunds]

@Keith Edmunds you raise at good point but with all the will in the world it is just an animal, insurance (usually) covers the chance of ill health but there is nothing to cover the chances of the dog being bad at its 'job'. You are right with the stacking of odds in your own favour but in my opinion (and maybe a few others) the prices have generally gone way too far. Its also all very well saying you can track a dogs lineage back 100 years but what about non kc reg dogs fetching similar money or even kc reg fraud which i think is more common than many people realise.

At the end of it all, more dogs will suffer as a consequence of the situation right now. Im not saying just because people have run out and paid £££ means they dont care for the dog, its the rushed and ill thought out decision making that will make the dogs suffer. The price increase is just another annoying but less significant point

I agree that insurance covers against ill health and nothing covers the chance of a dog not doing its job. I agree the cost of nondescript mongrels is bonkers.

I am probably one of a few who gets a little excited when I see a certain pedigree that contains a number of the 'greats' or, IMHO, better still, line bred to the 'greats'. It is even more interesting to me if those 'icons' are no longer with us and yet feature recently in a current pedigree. These are dogs that have sired numerous offspring and the vast majority have also been at the top of their game and their offspring too. It is just too much of a coincidence when these dogs pass on their traits to so many offspring.

To me, personally, having the opportunity to tap into these historic, iconic bloodlines is worth what I am prepared to pay. It is a personal thing and I wouldn't expect anyone else to agree, but to me, it is worth it.

 

[jimmy milnes]

Here's a spin on it, os there any real point to KC registering pups ? It used to be that you'd get more due to a "pedigree" but with things as they are I'm not so sure. So why go through the hassle.
Something needs doing because it's getting ridiculous, and people who'd rather not rip folk off are having to up prices for fear of people buying a pup to sell on, just like a car salesman.

 

[Glade]

My names down on a pup yet to be born, the mating has just taken place. I’ve told the breeder to let me know the price so I can save up. That said I’ve also told the breeder I’m not going to pay more the £900. The pup can come unregistered as I won’t be planning to breed. So here’s the rub if I’m guzzumped so be it I’ll move on. Like me old dad used to say, “it’s easier to buy something than it is to sell it,” If shooting people wanting a working dog let the breeder know what they are prepared to pay things may be a bit different.
Rgds
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[jimmy milnes]

My names down on a pup yet to be born, the mating has just taken place. I’ve told the breeder to let me know the price so I can save up. That said I’ve also told the breeder I’m not going to pay more the £900. The pup can come unregistered as I won’t be planning to breed. So here’s the rub if I’m guzzumped so be it I’ll move on. Like me old dad used to say, “it’s easier to buy something than it is to sell it,” If shooting people wanting a working dog let the breeder know what they are prepared to pay things may be a bit different.
Rgds
G

Ya dad was a wise man matey