New Forest Negligent Discharge

[Foxyboy43]

Its not a safety, its a cocking button, incidentally none of my CZ bolt action rifles go to automatic safety on reloading either although they too are cocked ready to fire.

That is an interesting point, when I think about it, I have never seen an “ordinary” rifle i.e. not top end, with an automatic safety (driven by bolt opening) so why not - mechanically problematic, additional cost or what?

 

[big ears]

As said before this is not a Blaser issue or a CZ issue or a Remington issue. It’s the idiot at the blunt end that is the issue. No safety system is 100%. Rifles go off when the trigger is disturbed, if they are loaded they go bang

 

[timbrayford]

That is an interesting point, when I think about it, I have never seen an “ordinary” rifle i.e. not top end, with an automatic safety (driven by bolt opening) so why not - mechanically problematic, additional cost or what?

Presumably traditional for a quick follow up shot or may be something to do with the military? There doesn't seem to be a problem with automatic safety on shotguns

 

[Alantoo]

I would have him stalking with me tomorrow. Not with a Blaser I might add. The other chap, no. Lets not start an argument between each other please.

Have you heard from the owner of the faulty Blaser since?...i.e. what did Blaser say was the cause of the fault?

Alan

 

[zambezi]

I don't quite undesrtand this - maybe because I am not familiar with Blasers. What is the purpose of depressing the cocking button thus releasing the spring if you should further disable the rifle by dropping out the trigger unit etc? Does that in itself suggest that the cocking button cannot be trusted? Just curious.

I do both.

The first makes the rifle utterly safe even if there is a chambered round. Mechanically, Blaser de-cocking is the equivalent of fully lifting the bolt on a standard rifle configuration - there is no tension in the firing spring.

Removal of the trigger set is an outward sign that shows the rifle cannot be fired to those standing too far away to see the status of the cocking lever. [incidentally, removing the trigger set also de-cocks the rifle]

 

[Utectok]

Presumably traditional for a quick follow up shot or may be something to do with the military? There doesn't seem to be a problem with automatic safety on shotguns

I think nearly all rifles are live on chambering a round. That’s why I point at the ground to chamber a round then put on the safety.

 

[Alantoo]

Presumably traditional for a quick follow up shot or may be something to do with the military? There doesn't seem to be a problem with automatic safety on shotguns

The R8 works similarly to my automatic safety shotguns which don't need the safety reset between trigger pulls, only after reloading.

If you drop the magazine to reload the R8 with the bolt closed, it automatically moves the cocking slide back to decompress the firing pin spring.

You can drop the magazine with the bolt open and the slide will remain in the forward automatic cocking position. It remains cocked if you reinsert the magazine before pushing the bolt forward...presumably for something like driven boar rapid fire magazine changes.

If you push the cocked bolt forward with no magazine inserted it automatically de-cocks.

Alan

 

[Overlay]

Nothing wrong with the blaser mechanism, placing a loaded rifle in a car is the fault, sounds like he left the safety off as well

pretty obvious what will happen, unfortunately someone was in the way, bloody disaster

 

[Alantoo]

Nothing wrong with the blaser mechanism, placing a loaded rifle in a car is the fault, sounds like he left the safety off as well

pretty obvious what will happen, unfortunately someone was in the way, bloody disaster

You may be conflating two separate issues...I did not gather that the OP incident involved a Blaser, it didn't specify...

The Blaser discussion was introduced to the thread by @sikamalc referring to the ND he witnessed.

Alan

 

[Foxyboy43]

You may be conflating two separate issues...I did not gather that the OP incident involved a Blaser, it didn't specify...

The Blaser discussion was introduced to the thread by @sikamalc referring to the ND he witnessed.

Alan

Oh dear, here we go again, please god it wasn’t a needmore too!

 

[rem284]

I know a professional stalker/deer contractor that travelled 70 miles in a pickup with the rifle between his knees and one up the spout and the safety off.

Russian roulette, not a game I fancy playing

 

[Overlay]

Irrelevant of the rifle make, placing a loaded rifle in a car is inexcusable doesn’t matter whether it was faulty or not, if it was faulty it wouldn’t have been in use

There is only one way that it was going to finish, and unfortunately it ended in another person being shot, only good thing he didn’t die from the wound

IMHO the rifle shouldn’t have been put in the car in the first place, that is the fault of the rifle owner no one else

 

[rem284]

I think nearly all rifles are live on chambering a round. That’s why I point at the ground to chamber a round then put on the safety.

I have the safety on before chambering a round and the rifle will also be pointing in a safe direction. I don't possess rifles where you have to put the safety off to lift the bolt

 

[Woodsmoke]

I don't possess rifles where you have to put the safety off to lift the bolt

Mine all are. I have CZ452, 527, an Abolt, and a Husky 1640, all of which have two-position safeties. It certainly makes you conscious of where your muzzle is pointing when you unload a round, that's for certain . . .

 

[Scandially]

Russian roulette, not a game I fancy playing

Familiarity breeds contempt...

 

[sikamalc]

Have you heard from the owner of the faulty Blaser since?...i.e. what did Blaser say was the cause of the fault?

Alan

No. And I have no idea. Although I would hope he has taken the rifle to a good gunsmith.

 

[Alantoo]

No. And I have no idea. Although I would hope he has taken the rifle to a good gunsmith.

Would it be possible to give him a gentle nudge and ask what the gunsmith or Blaser said, so we could find out what the problem turned out to be?

The report quoted by @Woodsmoke was very clear...be good to get the same degree of diagnosis of your client's fault.

New Forest Negligent Discharge

I don't understand how the first ND happened. He touched the end of the stock? So he wasn't waiting with it in his shoulder but loaded? Was it a Blaser bullpup?

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The second ND you witnessed should have been prevented had the rifle been an R8. The firing pin spring is automatically de-cocked if the magazine is either removed or inserted when the bolt is closed. It will only remain cocked if the bolt is open when the magazine position is changed. But then he would have had to have been wandering around with the gun cocked and ready to fire prior to climbing over the fence, let alone having to close the bolt after inserting the magazine which could have chambered the round.

Alan

 

[big ears]

Doubt Blaser will find a fault as clearly the fault lies with the operator. The gun was loaded with the safety off I bet. Rest is history.
However some do like to slag off blasers

 

[Jamouk]

There's no mention of the OP new forest incident being a blaser ?

 

[Alantoo]

There's no mention of the OP new forest incident being a blaser ?

No don't think so. I did not notice any mention of rifle brand in the bits I read in the OP or subsequent links I followed.

As I said above, the Blaser discussion was introduced to the thread by @sikamalc referring to the ND he witnessed.

Alan