First gun advice, best quality feel synthetic rifles?
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baguio
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What sort of money are you looking at spending on a scope? Any idea what you're after. Variable is definitely the way to go IMO. It will give you far more flexibility when you only have one rifle. Foxes start to look very small at range when you're stuck on the standard x6 or x8 scope. You will be far more effective on the range with a bit of mag too! You have clearly worked this out for yourself anyway though!
Morkai
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Ill be going variable, looked at fixed, most dont have the reticles I want. Probably £350 to £400, MOA reticle, not mad power as the clarity drops off at the top end.What sort of money are you looking at spending on a scope? Any idea what you're after. Variable is definitely the way to go IMO. It will give you far more flexibility when you only have one rifle. Foxes start to look very small at range when you're stuck on the standard x6 or x8 scope. You will be far more effective on the range with a bit of mag too! You have clearly worked this out for yourself anyway though!
As I'll be also using this for fox on the same ground (likely a couple hundred yards) I dont want to be using a fixed scope with a bare reticle that leaves it down to guess work.
baguio
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I'm sure that there are a few previous threads on here that will help you out. There are some very good low budget variables about these days that offer terrific value for money. Good luck with your search.
A couple of hundred yards isn’t very far and is point and shoot with a creedmoor sensibly zeroed so there’s no guesswork.
Not sure they do them in MOA but Falcon M18 is a very good scope for the money, FFP and they track perfectly, you’ll lose out on deer first and last light but if you’re prepared to make that sacrifice then they are worth a look.
Morkai
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I think they only come in MRAD rets.
Athlon Argos is one I will go to have a look at see what the quality is like on them. They get good reviews, few other I have in a 2nd hand list.
What sort of visability levels do you personally have with scope? I have some real dirt cheap scopes and I can still see what Im looking for when the sun has gone below the horizon, obviously theyre not on x20 mag or anything. I even use them with a crap red lamp and can bash rabbits, no issues with visability.
I cant really see a varibale dialled down to x4 etc losing me much.
Athlon Argos is one I will go to have a look at see what the quality is like on them. They get good reviews, few other I have in a 2nd hand list.
What sort of visability levels do you personally have with scope? I have some real dirt cheap scopes and I can still see what Im looking for when the sun has gone below the horizon, obviously theyre not on x20 mag or anything. I even use them with a crap red lamp and can bash rabbits, no issues with visability.
I cant really see a varibale dialled down to x4 etc losing me much.
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Morkai
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As in the mechanism of bedding within the stock or how well its been bedded from the factory?
Within the synth stock it has aluminium bedding piillars and subframe.
Morkai
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What couldnt you see properly with the 4-16, what time of day, distance etc?
Mature red hind, in commercial pine woodland, 60-80 yards, last light. Clear as day in the thermal and could just make out silhouette but not enough of a picture with the scope for a confident shot.
As I say, the difference between a reasonable variable and good German 8x56 is going to only be 10-15 minutes at last light, but that can mean the difference between grassing a deer or not.
The answer is to try it for yourself though, as I say I went from variables to fixed for my main stalking rifles. The meopta is a nice halfway house and gives you a multi aim point ret but that still suffers last light.
zero your creedmoor at 200 yards and you are point and shoot to 250 anyway (same with pretty much all deer legal calibres)
baguio
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As someone quite new to stalking it's unlikely that you will be taking many if any shots in the last few minutes of legal shooting time anyway so it's irrelevant. The mag will however be useful in good light and on the ranges when the majority of your shots will be taken. It's nice to be able to see where your shots are going on the ranges too. You will not be able to see where they hit with x 8 mag. There's a reason why target shooters use high mag scopes! Personally non of the people I stalk with use fixed mag scopes in the field anymore and I'm talking about people who shoot a lot of deer and deer are their living. There's a reason for that!
Pretty sure my dog is blacker than your dog
baguio
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???Pretty sure my dog is blacker than your dog
Drop it in a Choate.
Morkai
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The HS stock is pretty good.
Lots of suggestions of what scope/rifle/ stock combination. As it looks like you have it suitably covered now find a load that it likes and get practicing. Both from bench and field positions. If shooting factory ammunition make sure to keep the empty cases in the factory boxes. That way you can sell the cases to someone who homeloads to offset costs or start homeloading yourself. Good luck.
Morkai
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Already on it, bud.
I've put some S&B 143gr SP through it, I then tried Hornady Whitetail 129gr, they seemed to work better.
All the cases went back into the ammo boxes.
The 200yrds shots this evening were from resting on the car roof, I need some sticks to practice with.
B&Q green garden canes. Cheap quadsticks.
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