Speeding and wrong info = FAC Revocation and Seizure
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I havent done a renewal for 4 ish years but the best advice is check again with your FEO or keep a copy of the advice which lets you avoid any disclosure. Last time I WAS asked for traffic offences as these can still be relevant to the decision to renew or not.
Ronin
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You (we ) have a duty to disclose any offence (motoring or otherwise )
If dates cannot be remembered and let’s face it a conviction that occurred twenty years ago are or would be unclear in most peoples memories then write down whatever offence you think it was and against the date - simply put you cannot recal the exact date or year for that matter
There’s no attempt to hide or be dishonest then
As for the guy in the video
Let’s not discuss the “shock” of seeing people with firearms - when as a clay shooter he’s around them all the time f f s ,,,
Road rage - if he wasn’t contacted by the investigator - how on earth Could he know there had be an allegation -
,,,,,However
this may have been the single largest factor in the decision to revoke , ,,,,
Speeding - mute point in so far as course of conduct (disregard for the law) which any of us could fall foul of regardless how careful we drive
I think the rational to revoke was based on a combination of factors - not Simply speeding
If dates cannot be remembered and let’s face it a conviction that occurred twenty years ago are or would be unclear in most peoples memories then write down whatever offence you think it was and against the date - simply put you cannot recal the exact date or year for that matter
There’s no attempt to hide or be dishonest then
As for the guy in the video
Let’s not discuss the “shock” of seeing people with firearms - when as a clay shooter he’s around them all the time f f s ,,,
Road rage - if he wasn’t contacted by the investigator - how on earth Could he know there had be an allegation -
,,,,,However
this may have been the single largest factor in the decision to revoke , ,,,,
Speeding - mute point in so far as course of conduct (disregard for the law) which any of us could fall foul of regardless how careful we drive
I think the rational to revoke was based on a combination of factors - not Simply speeding
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Stalker62
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Get a copy of your police records
You have the right to ask for a copy of records the police have about you. This is called a ‘subject access request’.You might need a subject access request if you move to another country.
A subject access request has records from:
- police forces in England, Wales, Northern Ireland, Jersey and the Isle of Man
- the British Transport Police
The process is different if you need to request records from Scotland.
Think its the old smoke without the fire that gets an FEO nosing around.
Driving is in no way connected to shooting, but a driver willing to risk 100 umpah's on our motorways, might be the same risk merchant that takes a shot on the brow of a hill.
Smoke usually has a fire.
Driving is in no way connected to shooting, but a driver willing to risk 100 umpah's on our motorways, might be the same risk merchant that takes a shot on the brow of a hill.
Smoke usually has a fire.
Cumbrian 1
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I could never understand the concept of having to try to recall every offence no matter how minor committed in a lifetime.
After all the police should know and they do know hence people get into trouble for not declaring such minor offences.
Whether you can or can’t recall past offences doesn’t change the fact that you committed the offences in the first place. Neither does recalling them make you any more suitable to hold a FAC.
It seems to me a stupid requirement designed to catch people out.
It’s funny how many hoops you have to jump through to get your FAC but with a driving licence 18months after been caught ****ed as a fart you get another go!
I’m pretty sure that cars can be just as deadly if not more so than a firearm but stricter driving licence requirements would lose votes whereas FAC holders are a minority.
After all the police should know and they do know hence people get into trouble for not declaring such minor offences.
Whether you can or can’t recall past offences doesn’t change the fact that you committed the offences in the first place. Neither does recalling them make you any more suitable to hold a FAC.
It seems to me a stupid requirement designed to catch people out.
It’s funny how many hoops you have to jump through to get your FAC but with a driving licence 18months after been caught ****ed as a fart you get another go!
I’m pretty sure that cars can be just as deadly if not more so than a firearm but stricter driving licence requirements would lose votes whereas FAC holders are a minority.
Stalker62
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It is not "designed" to catch anybody out.
It is a question you should know the answer to (or at least have a vague recollection of) - nothing more and nothing less.
Frank Homes
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Before 2016, which is when they changed the application form, you only had to declare convictions in the previous 5 years which was a sensible requirement. Now you have to declare any conviction no matter how old which is a retrograde step because people forget. A conviction can only be classed as a conviction if a court is involved in the adjudication, so FPN's for whatever offence are not convictions and do not have to be declared.
It’s all ways been that way, one way or another, honesty is always the best policy when applying for an FAC or SGC.
They are accountable but just not in the same easy way as you and I are.
Friendly Boar
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I had a speeding conviction 35+ years ago. I have declared it on all renewals since and you should too ....... treat all convictions as "un-spent" and declare them. I was told by a member of the FEO team years back..... declare anything / everything and you'll be okay.
This situation with police looking at cert's is only going one way....... if you are seen as trying to hide something, you will loose. if you are seen as dishonest, you will loose.
in the matter of 100mph...... give me a break...... if you are that stupid to go that much over the "maximum" limit it shows poor judgement! if you try and say "I didn't realise I was doing that speed" you can get a not paying due care and attention...... it is simple......
A good friend had his guns taken and licence revoked a few years back - this was due to the Ex-wife making spurious accusations against him, he got his guns and licence back after a fair bit of work and she showing her true colours with the courts..... genuine problems like this exist and they are awful and I'd not wish them one anyone, they will be more common especially if the spouse knows this.
This situation with police looking at cert's is only going one way....... if you are seen as trying to hide something, you will loose. if you are seen as dishonest, you will loose.
in the matter of 100mph...... give me a break...... if you are that stupid to go that much over the "maximum" limit it shows poor judgement! if you try and say "I didn't realise I was doing that speed" you can get a not paying due care and attention...... it is simple......
A good friend had his guns taken and licence revoked a few years back - this was due to the Ex-wife making spurious accusations against him, he got his guns and licence back after a fair bit of work and she showing her true colours with the courts..... genuine problems like this exist and they are awful and I'd not wish them one anyone, they will be more common especially if the spouse knows this.
Yes I found similar myself
I can only assume that all those SD members who believe driving at 100MPH should disqualify one from being granted a FAC, must drive a series Landrover.
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Benelli m2
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If you happen to go on a speed awareness course it's not declared as a conviction it don't go on the database
Tf223
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Despite knowing better, it still surprises me that people have such disregard to offences, struggling to recall their misdemeanours.
I can understand a speeding conviction from 40 years ago if you’ve had a few in your driving history, but other things people claim to have forgotten surprise me. Maybe I live too dull a life!
Free range rob
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Finally, someone with some common sense, this is the proper way forward, and it is what I done as I had convictions but for the life of me no idea when or what the actual conviction was listed as on the pnc.
On receipt of my record, I simply photo copied it and included it with my forms.
My FEO was fine with it (obviously) and we talked about it and he was totally happy to sign it off knowing I had been honest and disclosed everything, and in his words, you was a young man and it’s clear by the time elapsed you have grown up and turned your life around.
Don’t be afraid to tell them, they are not monsters, they will however take a very dim view if they feel you are hiding something, and rightly so.
The subject access really means there is no excuse for non disclosure, I also realise by my own vase you cannot always remember everything so no excuse really.
100mph, who cares if it was a 30 zone or a 70, it’s well over and above and you should take it on the chin if your daft enough to do it.
30mph feels like walking to me, but if it’s the speed limit so that’s what I drive at.
Whilst a lot of folk complain about the FLO, I can only say good things, I’ve always found them straight forward and helpful, totally up front about stuff, and generally take a reasonable and sensible approach to things.
Benelli m2
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yes all makes sense but it also states on the form any convitions but Parking offences and Fixed Penalty notices need not be declared so what will happen if you don't put these down your fac etc should still go ahead because you have done what the forms are asking
As others have already intimated it's not so much the offences themselves but a check to see if you're the sort of person who lies, even by omission. A bit like the unofficial attitude test that many coppers will apply when dealing with minor motoring offences.
Can't recall previous offences (or be bothered to find out)? It's a minor task to check and put them down on the form. If that's too much effort maybe one doesn't really want that FAC/SGC all that much after all?
Sorry but I can't make head nor tail of that.
Benelli m2
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Convictions to be declared on the application forms all convictions must be declared except parking offences and FPN
Fixed penalty notices need not be declared hope that clear
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