Hand gun recently ?

[Triggermortis]

I believe that the law ONLY allows a 410 /9mm shot pistol to be conditioned for 'vermin'.

In which case, it'd be interesting if a police force have authorised one for humane dispatch !

Mine is,
Have a look at post #45

 

[riflerob]

Mine is,
Have a look at post #45

OK, so I'm quoting from the HO handbook here :

Page 98 :

12.23 Section 4 of the 1997 Act allows the possession, purchasing, acquiring, selling or transferring of shot pistols in calibres .410 and 9mm rim-fire, provided that such a pistol is subject to a condition that it is only for use in connection with the shooting of vermin (see Appendix 3 for the exact wording of the condition which covers these circumstances). This exemption was intended mainly for pest controllers who may need to use a firearm of this kind in farm buildings, farmyards and similar areas where use of a conventional shot gun would be inappropriate, for example, barns, fruit cages or near release pens.

In Appendix 3 (as listed above for the actual condition wording)

4. Quarry Shooting – Shot Pistols • The *calibre SHOT PISTOL shall be used only in connection with SHOOTING VERMIN WITHIN OR AROUND BUILDINGS on land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot.


The Act of Parliament (1997 Firearms Act, as amended)

'Special Exemptions from Prohibition of Small Firearms'

4 Shot pistols used for shooting vermin.​

(1) [The authority of the Secretary of State or the Scottish Ministers] is not required by virtue of subsection (1)(aba) of section 5 of the 1968 Act for a person to have in his possession, or to purchase or acquire, or to sell or transfer, a shot pistol if he is authorised by a firearm certificate to have the shot pistol in his possession, or to purchase or acquire it, subject to a condition that it is only for use in connection with the shooting of vermin.

(2)For the purposes of this section, “shot pistol” means a smooth-bored gun which is chambered for .410 cartridges or 9mm rim-fire cartridges.

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So from reading all that lot, your FEO has actually licenced your use of a shot pistol that is contrary to the law.

I suppose the only surprising thing is that ... it isn't at all surprising !

 

[Triggermortis]

The variation wasn’t authorised by the FEO as a grant of one of these is above their grade.
I don’t have a vermin around buildings condition, only AOLQ and humane dispatch including solid slugs, should I give them a call and point out their error?
Cheers
Triggermortis

 

[Apthorpe]

You are probably a softer target than a boar's head.

I used to be acquainted with a Danish boar farmer. He shot everything with .22LR.
I am certainly a softer target than a boar's head. Possibly a smaller target area too

 

[sikamalc]

Well said sikamalc, brilliant reply to the uninitiated

Yes there are a few on here, one or two I know only started stalking a few years back, and were guided by me. But claim a lot now!! Its a small world the stalking world.

 

[ndjfb01]

Well I am not hunting with it am I. Dispatching wounded deer is what it's for. I don't carry it everywhere. But certainly in Scotland. No problem and Kent police have never had an issue with it.
As a deer warden or stalker full time it's part of yoyr duties and I would think you would have no issue with it whilst guiding clients.

All the best if you get stopped in possession then based on that!

 

[browser5031]

Handgun for the purpose of humain dispatch can be issued under section 5 Firearms application.
For best results use .38 special ammo. Bullet placement just behind the back of the ear, less messy than as slitting a Deers throat.

I read this too fast and thought it said human. I thought boy, you in the UK are getting serious!

 

[sikamalc]

All the best if you get stopped in possession then based on that!

No disrespect. I am well aware of what I am allowed to do. Having been given the pistol many years back by Kent Police, they are fully aware of how and when i use the weapon. Having spoken some years back to my FEO regarding the carrying and transporting of the item he had no issue what so ever. In some 25 years of owning a dispatch pistol I have never had an issue.
I think you are reading a lot into it myself. I am sure I will be OK but thank you for your concern.

 

[8x57]

I read this too fast and thought it said human. I thought boy, you in the UK are getting serious!

Perfectly understandable when you look at the way humane was spelt (humain i.e. manlike).

Probably predictive text or auto correction. I sent a text message on Sunday evening and I know for certain that I had spelt the name of the road correctly because I had to look it up, but looking yesterday auto correction had changed it to something quite different.

 

[Druid]

Aaaah…… Autocorrect. The source of many a misunderstanding.
Here’s a few-

It's Almost 2020, So Here Are The Funniest Autocorrect Fails Of The Decade

RESPOND TO MY BONER!

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[FGYT]

Yes you can get 9mm BUT the big issue is your County police internal policy on HD pistols Soem are a lot more sensible than others

Hampshire is still trying to get the law changed to only allow 2 shot revolvers (ie a revolver that has had its Pressure bearing parts altered without a nationally legal spec and Proof testing for saftey ie teh old priginal welded ones or even the pressed ones thats are jsut as easy to press out ) best hey have so far is have the 2 shot revolver written int hOme office guidance as the main option .
personnally if a restriction is in place it should be 6rnds for centerfire and 10 for rimfire allows for pretty much any revolver and lots of Small frame autos which gettin a large mag capacity wold be difficult


I am lucky that im in Dorset and they havent been fully corrupted by merging the unit to D&C a quick and reasonable phone conversation on why I had good reason on certain permissions to have not only a 9mm pistol for HD But a .45" cal rifle with the manager got it sorted.

dont forget 9mm is considered a pistol only round (despite lots of Carbins in it now) so expanding is still Section 5 and you need to ask for it specifically if you need that over FMJ ball


and you need to apply for a 9mm Pistol as appossed to a .38 Revolver If they give you a 9mm Revolver your a bit stuck on finding one in UK (they exixt but expect in LBR ie the Rhino in UK which cant be conditioned for HD or any Quarry shooting)

 

[riflerob]

The variation wasn’t authorised by the FEO as a grant of one of these is above their grade.
I don’t have a vermin around buildings condition, only AOLQ and humane dispatch including solid slugs, should I give them a call and point out their error?
Cheers
Triggermortis

It just seems a bit bizarre, when the law specifies that there is only one 'good reason' for a shot pistol - there is no other 'lawful reason' to possess a shot pistol, and it must be conditioned exactly as per the wording

It'd certainly be a strange legal position to be in if it was ever in a courtroom !

 

[Triggermortis]

Can’t see how I’d end up in court for possession of a firearm that I’ve applied for, been granted and lawfully purchased, the rfd that sold it to me obviously thought the purchase was lawful, he is a sec5 dealer and he sells enough of them to import them from America being the sole importer of these into the UK.
I’m also aware of another person that has been granted one within the last few weeks so I know I’m not the only one.

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Ive had a number of HD pistols and revolvers for a good few years

Including a 9mm, 357, .38 and .22 these were on my ticket for deer and vermin

Showing good reason was necessary and that reason did not change over nite when i moved from Dorset to Hampshire, however my pistol was immediately revoked and i was issued a .22 revolver ( with a sound moderator ) in its place

Please save me the pain of any attempt to explain the sound moderated revolver it was issued with the revolver not asked for.

Im not out to bash Hampshire and as FGYT states Dorset was always extremely helpful so to those that are applying a great deal of your success will most definitely relate to the County you live in as much as demonstrating good reason

 

[nauman]

Ive had a number of HD pistols and revolvers for a good few years

Including a 9mm, 357, .38 and .22 these were on my ticket for deer and vermin

Showing good reason was necessary and that reason did not change over nite when i moved from Dorset to Hampshire, however my pistol was immediately revoked and i was issued a .22 revolver ( with a sound moderator ) in its place

Please save me the pain of any attempt to explain the sound moderated revolver it was issued with the revolver not asked for.

Im not out to bash Hampshire and as FGYT states Dorset was always extremely helpful so to those that are applying a great deal of your success will most definitely relate to the County you live in as much as demonstrating good reason

Thanx

 

[dazz223]

What’s the position with a suppressed pistol such as the following?
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POTD: The Very Hush B&T VP9 (Veterinary Pistol)

Today’s Photo is the B&T VP9 (Veterinary Pistol) – a firearm that many would like to own, but few can.(sorry, that’s was unintentional)The picture is from Vogt Waffen AG in Switzerland, used with kind permission.B&T veterinary pistol VP9 suppressed, cal.

www.thefirearmblog.com

Looks to me as just the ticket and ticks all boxes.

K

f*ck me i want one now

 

[NullMac]

What some of you have is NO experience of, is tracking a gut shot sika or Red in dense commercial forest. In the highlands.
Having been in that situation a few times it's impossible to use a rifle and a good revolver is a lot more useable.

sikamalc:

Well, not gut shot but I have had Sika run into the wood (dense as you describe) and therefore am never very sure what I am following up. I usually stalk with a dog but am leery of letting him run into a wounded stag, never mind me getting an antler where I don't want it. Rifle as you say is more of a liability than anything else. Fortunately they have either pegged it or been down. So far.

Should I be applying for a pistol ?

Maybe it is time to re-evaluate my shot. Copper is taking them but they are not dropping to shot.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Hmmm. A very interesting thread - when read from the part of the UK where real pistols are still permitted, none of this two-shot nonsense - though on approved ranges only and probably just as well - “Can you spot the NI deerstalker carrying a concealed .50 Desert Eagle children? Yes! That's him, the one with the bad limp and twisted spine……”.
Anyhoo and maybe going against the proverbial grain but for example a .308 165 gns bullet with a load of 8gns of Titegroup (as per Hogdgon’s manual so a safe load which I have used in the field and on the range on hundreds of occasions) or similar generates about 350 ft lbs which is virtually identical to that of a 148gns .38 Special and at the distance we are talking for humane dispatch would do a first class job at a fraction of the power (and associated dangers) of a full deer cartridge. As an aside the “dispatcher” would also not need to be as close to the beast as if he were using a stub-nose revolver.
Sooo why not just carry a couple of subsonics in your chambering of choice with you on each outing? I do.
Simples.
You are welcome.

 

[Selous]

Hmmm. A very interesting thread - when read from the part of the UK where real pistols are still permitted, none of this two-shot nonsense - though on approved ranges only and probably just as well - “Can you spot the NI deerstalker carrying a concealed .50 Desert Eagle children? Yes! That's him, the one with the bad limp and twisted spine……”.
Anyhoo and maybe going against the proverbial grain but for example a .308 165 gns bullet with a load of 8gns of Titegroup (as per Hogdgon’s manual so a safe load which I have used in the field and on the range on hundreds of occasions) or similar generates about 350 ft lbs which is virtually identical to that of a 148gns .38 Special and at the distance we are talking for humane dispatch would do a first class job at a fraction of the power (and associated dangers) of a full deer cartridge. As an aside the “dispatcher” would also not need to be as close to the beast as if he were using a stub-nose revolver.
Sooo why not just carry a couple of subsonics in your chambering of choice with you on each outing? I do.
Simples.
You are welcome.

Downloaded cartridges could be useful in some circumstances, but you can’t manipulate and fire a typical stalking rifle as readily one handed as you can a handgun. When you are close in then you may need to use a free hand to hold something else… antler, dog, foliage etc. Also if you are belly crawling under blanket planted Sitka spruce in poor light then manipulating a long gun is really difficult but a handgun can be brought to aim much more readily

 

[Bavarianbrit]

How about using a collapsing saufeder?

Die Moderne Saufeder