TWEEDL – poor practice selling at Game Fair

[JohnSmith]

Where did you see that ?

Maybe you were thinking of this one, a genuine lottery for the Countryside Alliance. A charity BTW. When I do go in for a lottery for a charity I do not expect any return, though have a couple of times been very pleasantly surprised. At least I know my "losings" are hopefully going to a good charitable cause.

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PS Longthornes start at about £15,000, About 23,000 $ Canadian.

I rather suspect that is rather beyond most prize competition's budget. At those odds the organisers would still have cleared about $19,000 Canadian, even if they paid full retail for the gun. Sweet.

No idea how the rules apply in Canada. But clearly you are a gambler, with some disposable income. That maybe could be directly given to a charitable cause that you support.

TBH I have no desire to own an £15,000 shotgun, but maybe I have no class.

LONGTHORNE VANGUARD + MORE!

£19.99 - Win This Longthorne Vanguard Trigger Plate Over & Under With Upgraded Wood & Gun Fit!

tweedl.com

1399 tickets available. Description says gun is worth £18,750 which is $29,200 and change CDN.

I’d be responsible for paying export fees which are negligible considering the value of the gun.

I wouldn’t classify myself as a “gambler” by spending $30 on a raffle . Nor would I jump to the conclusion of disposable income over such a small amount.

 

[Sharpie]

LONGTHORNE VANGUARD + MORE!

£19.99 - Win This Longthorne Vanguard Trigger Plate Over & Under With Upgraded Wood & Gun Fit!

tweedl.com

1399 tickets available. Description says gun is worth £18,750 which is $29,200 and change CDN.

I’d be responsible for paying export fees which are negligible considering the value of the gun.

I wouldn’t classify myself as a “gambler” by spending $30 on a raffle . Nor would I jump to the conclusion of disposable income over such a small amount.

Should the competition sell 70% or less the amount of tickets then a cash alternative may be awarded to the winner.

Reading between the lines, they are hoping to make at least £9,230 profit if they sell all 1399 tickets. But are indicating that if they don't sell more than 70% (still over £800 profit, minus expenses, probably break even) they MAY offer the winner some cash. I don't think they are obliged to though.

All entrants must hold a valid shotgun certificate.

Which, of course, you will not.

Just saying. BTW, there are rules about who may participate in such things, e.g. there is a French National lottery, as well as a Spanish one, which have much better odds than our UK ones, overall about 6:!, but I am not allowed to enter. Nor are they to ours.

But I agree, these sorts of things APPEAR to be a far better bet than any national lotto. Not sure a foreigner would be allowed to collect the prize and have it exported though, best you talk to "Barbury Shooting School who have recently opened their gun shop and have become Longthorne dealers located in the South of England. This gun can be ordered to the winners desired specifications" and see if they are willing to do that for you before getting too excited.

As I hinted, the headline value of that Longthorne Victory is ludicrous, Why indeed Barbury Shooting School themselves are currently advertising them on Guntrader at £13,625, including UK VAT (20%)

Longthorne 12 gauge Victory
Over and Under Shotgun (R/H) - New
£13,625
US$16,617/€16,267
DESCRIPTION
A beautiful English made gun, with Longthornes signature patented barrel technology which is made all from one piece of steel.
Black action, HP proofed, adjustable trigger with an adjustable stock
SPECIFICATIONS
Make: Longthorne
Model: Victory
Licence: Shotgun
Orient.: Right Handed
Barrel: 32"
Stock: 15"
Chokes: Multi & Multi
Origin: England
Serial #: LBX030
Stock #: 220712/004
Condition: New
EMAIL SELLER
SELLER
Type: Trade
Name: Barbury Shooting School
Address: Barbury Castle, Wroughton, Swindon, Wiltshire, SN4 0QH

 

[JohnSmith]

Should the competition sell 70% or less the amount of tickets then a cash alternative may be awarded to the winner.

Reading between the lines, they are hoping to make at least £9,230 profit if they sell all 1399 tickets. But are indicating that if they don't sell more than 70% (still over £800 profit, minus expenses, probably break even) they MAY offer the winner some cash. I don't think they are obliged to though.

All entrants must hold a valid shotgun certificate.

Which, of course, you will not.

Just saying. BTW, there are rules about who may participate in such things, e.g. there is a French National lottery, as well as a Spanish one, which have much better odds than our UK ones, overall about 6:!, but I am not allowed to enter. Nor are they to ours.

But I agree, these sorts of things APPEAR to be a far better bet than any national lotto. Not sure a foreigner would be allowed to collect the prize and have it exported though, best you talk to "Barbury Shooting School who have recently opened their gun shop and have become Longthorne dealers located in the South of England. This gun can be ordered to the winners desired specifications" and see if they are willing to do that for you before getting too excited.

As I hinted, the headline value of that Longthorne Victory is ludicrous, Why indeed Barbury Shooting School themselves are currently advertising them on Guntrader at £13,625, including UK VAT (20%)

Longthorne 12 gauge Victory
Over and Under Shotgun (R/H) - New
£13,625
US$16,617/€16,267
DESCRIPTION
A beautiful English made gun, with Longthornes signature patented barrel technology which is made all from one piece of steel.
Black action, HP proofed, adjustable trigger with an adjustable stock
SPECIFICATIONS
Make: Longthorne
Model: Victory
Licence: Shotgun
Orient.: Right Handed
Barrel: 32"
Stock: 15"
Chokes: Multi & Multi
Origin: England
Serial #: LBX030
Stock #: 220712/004
Condition: New
EMAIL SELLER
SELLER
Type: Trade
Name: Barbury Shooting School
Address: Barbury Castle, Wroughton, Swindon, Wiltshire, SN4 0QH

I’ll bite, I’m always up for a friendly back and forth exchange.

They’ve sold 56% of tickets within 2 days (went live on July 29th I believe) with 58 days remaining in the contest. I think they’ll hit that 70% mark.

Here are the terms and conditions regarding sales below 70%:

“In the event a competitions timer runs out and <70% of tickets have been sold we will either

A. announce the live draw and award the competition prize to the winner or
B. award a prize equivalent to the value of seventy percent of the ticket sales revenue (less bank charges and operating costs) to the winner or
C. Extend the competition by further period to allow tickets sales to take place. For experiences with a set date the competition will always only be extended to allow an appropriate and fair amount of time between the draw and the prizes experience date.”

None of the above has me too worried. I only have £20 invested. To be honest I bought a ticket for fun and won’t even think about it again unless I found out I won.

I do hold a shotgun certificate- a Canadian firearms licence which allows me to possess/purchase as many legal shotguns as I’d like. They likely mean you just have the legal means to possess a shotgun.

Terms and conditions regarding participants outside of England:

“Individuals who choose to enter who are residents outside of England, Wales & Scotland must ensure that their participation is lawful and in accordance with the laws of their own country of residence.”

No issues with the above in Canada.

The discrepancy regarding value might be the fact that they’re putting exhibition grade wood on the winning shotgun. Regardless, If I were to win I wouldn’t cry that I won a £13,000 gun instead of an £18,000 gun I can promise you that.

 

[purdey24]

Try B.O.T.B. best of the best, not shooting related but cars .
I know someone who won a Nissan Skyline and an obscene amount of cash to run it.
You could always sell the car and buy more guns.

 

[IBD]

Know anyone winning on "Lucky Hunter"?

Yes.
He is going stalking with my friend.

 

[IBD]

I think this is a case of pay your money and take your chance.
If it’s not for you then crack on elsewhere.

 

[IBD]

Should the competition sell 70% or less the amount of tickets then a cash alternative may be awarded to the winner.

Reading between the lines, they are hoping to make at least £9,230 profit if they sell all 1399 tickets. But are indicating that if they don't sell more than 70% (still over £800 profit, minus expenses, probably break even) they MAY offer the winner some cash. I don't think they are obliged to though.

All entrants must hold a valid shotgun certificate.

Which, of course, you will not.

Just saying. BTW, there are rules about who may participate in such things, e.g. there is a French National lottery, as well as a Spanish one, which have much better odds than our UK ones, overall about 6:!, but I am not allowed to enter. Nor are they to ours.

But I agree, these sorts of things APPEAR to be a far better bet than any national lotto. Not sure a foreigner would be allowed to collect the prize and have it exported though, best you talk to "Barbury Shooting School who have recently opened their gun shop and have become Longthorne dealers located in the South of England. This gun can be ordered to the winners desired specifications" and see if they are willing to do that for you before getting too excited.

As I hinted, the headline value of that Longthorne Victory is ludicrous, Why indeed Barbury Shooting School themselves are currently advertising them on Guntrader at £13,625, including UK VAT (20%)

Longthorne 12 gauge Victory
Over and Under Shotgun (R/H) - New
£13,625
US$16,617/€16,267
DESCRIPTION
A beautiful English made gun, with Longthornes signature patented barrel technology which is made all from one piece of steel.
Black action, HP proofed, adjustable trigger with an adjustable stock
SPECIFICATIONS
Make: Longthorne
Model: Victory
Licence: Shotgun
Orient.: Right Handed
Barrel: 32"
Stock: 15"
Chokes: Multi & Multi
Origin: England
Serial #: LBX030
Stock #: 220712/004
Condition: New
EMAIL SELLER
SELLER
Type: Trade
Name: Barbury Shooting School
Address: Barbury Castle, Wroughton, Swindon, Wiltshire, SN4 0QH

Victory and Vanguard are different models and I’d expect different price points

 

[hairycow]

This is just a note for caberslash and oak ridge all I’ll say is best £19.99 I ever spent.
will post a pic at a later date.
taken till now to sink in.

 

[finnbear270]

Forgive me for asking.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

$30 for a 1 in 1399 chance to win a shotgun worth $30,000 cdn ? Count me in.

$41,970??

 

[enfieldspares]

I won a first prize once in a raffle. A brand new football at school. That was in 1974. I've not won anything since. I think I might be due another win?