Copper and blood trails

[User00040]

Stating it is inferior for centrefire bullets, "end of story" just makes you sound less intelligent than I expect you are and diminishes anything of value you may actually have to say.

I must have eaten too much lead shot game then?

 

[Apthorpe]

Blood trails, distance run etc has everything to do with shot placement and not a lot to do with bullet size, calibre or construction.

Are you sure? Then why are there laws around bullet size, calibre and construction?

 

[Pete6.5]

First off I love my lead free bullets but anyone saying some lead free work just as good "you just have to move your point of aim" has already admitted they have changed something to accommodate it's lack of effectiveness.

 

[Selous]

First off I love my lead free bullets but anyone saying some lead free work just as good "you just have to move your point of aim" has already admitted they have changed something to accommodate it's lack of effectiveness.

Hmmm….no, I have always shot deer with lead bullets in the vital triangle and then changed to non lead over 20 years ago. I get far fewer runners with light fast TTSX bullets than I ever did with lead, where I almost expected a run.

 

[Pete6.5]

Hmmm….no, I have always shot deer with lead bullets in the vital triangle and then changed to non lead over 20 years ago. I get far fewer runners with light fast TTSX bullets than I ever did with lead, where I almost expected a run.

Then you are not someone that has changed your point of aim. But I have heard it said dozens of times. I will repeat that I like some lead free bullets and believe it to be the future. I've taken people out and they have shot the deer in right position and watch them run off some distance. Some lead free are utter carp.

 

[Selous]

A good friend who also lurks on here shot a Roe with a 308 and a 180grain Core lock bullet at quite close range. Shot placement was good (double lung I suspect) but the deer took off and took a lot of finding and made several hundred yards in woodland. Now as a one off this means absolutely nothing but it does emphasise that if you choose the wrong bullet for the job that you can expect runners whether the bullet has a lead core or not!!

 

[User00040]

Hmmm….no, I have always shot deer with lead bullets in the vital triangle and then changed to non lead over 20 years ago. I get far fewer runners with light fast TTSX bullets than I ever did with lead, where I almost expected a run.

You tried a light, fast lead bullet to compare?

Like a 7mm 110 Vmax or 120 Nosler BT?

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Was sent this pic by a friend who emigrated to the US several years ago, we did a lot of stalking together.

A young me around 2007 6.5x55 120gn barnes TTSX back then i was killing 150-180 deer a year stalking over 200 days a year back then!

Copper killed fine back then as it does today.

@caberslash were you even in school back then?

 

[nun_hunter]

You tried a light, fast lead bullet to compare?

Like a 7mm 110 Vmax or 120 Nosler BT?

I'm sure they'd kill very well and also mince the front of the carcass, turn it into a bloody soup and fill it with lead dust

 

[monarman]

Ttsx was introduced in 2008... tsx 2003

 

[monarman]

110 vmax were deadly out of the .270..... killed brilliantly with little damage even on roe!.... very few went more than 20 yards and left a decent blood trail... IF they ran at all.....
massive energy dump into the internals through good expansion.

 

[Nikko]

Jesus. It's like Groundhog Day!

 

[Overlay]

.243 calibre. past couple of weeks managed to get 2 muntjac bucks - first one 100grn lead soft point 95 yds ran 20 yds with a spot on H&L shot placement blood from start to finish started off pretty good then dropped right off in very thick undergrowth, follow up by my younger teckle otherwise could have been a loss without him it was thick as guts

second buck using fox copper. good H&L shot, again it run no hairs on ground shot, 15 yds away with blood coming out just before it fell over, on open ground i put it down the exit hole blocking

i’ve shot foxes with both rounds all have fell over on the spot with the same damage

overall I’d say pretty much equal to date

 

[Sakoodin1]

No issues with the 129grn lrx! Just as good if not Better than lead from my experience

 

[Brave Echo Niner]

Case in point -

Roe doe shot by myself on Wednesday using a 175 LRX out of my .300 WSM at 160m quartering off sticks. She dropped on the spot, leaving the below spray of blood and lung behind her:



Her follower was also dispatched broadside, range was 200m, again off sticks - this tough little blighter made it 14-16m (I did pace it out but forget which one it was) leaving a very similar blood trail behind - shot was a low heart shot rather than top of heart as I intended:

Now I don’t know about anyone else, but to me if I can easily follow it without any artificial light or assistance from a dog as it’s going dark then it’s a pretty acceptable blood trail!

Hit them where @Selous has shown above and there won’t be any issues with blood trail and most likely they will drop on the spot in my experience!

Ben

 

[Heym SR20]

Are you sure? Then why are there laws around bullet size, calibre and construction?

Yup perfectly sure. Put a 22rf, or a 22 Hornet bullet in the right place you will kill any deer that walks. Ditto with a .50 BMG. Put them in the wrong place and deer will go a long way.

 

[ColinBr]

Drop the weight ! Up the velocity! TTSX 100 grain from the 260 rem 3200 fps is the most effective kill pill i have ever used . Factory ammo is often slower than the box says in general in my experience . I have only had one stag run a significant distance ( 70 yards downhill) and the issue was placement , i miss read a channeling wind between two peaks !. 270 should wreck em with a lighter , faster TTSX, forget what the lead weight is for the cartridge

I'm finding the same dropping down from 120gr TTSX to the 100gr TTSX in my 6.5CM

Measured at 3300ft/s

 

[paul o']

Lead or copper neck them they stay close

to home far less stress that pulling them out of the woods and over a ditch .

 

[Utectok]

Move your point of aim forwards a tiny bit. Stay within the vital triangle as named by Kevin Robertson in the Perfect Shot rather than doing the traditional double lung shot Which is just behind the vertical line and risks splitting the rumen.

The pink dot if close enough then they ain’t going anywhere

 

[paul o']

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