Norfolk Deer Search
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I think their actual intended purpose is a long range elk bullet.
Copper and blood trails
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Last Fallow I shot in Lincoln with the .243 as my friend had my .270 was 250 yds went right through it done the lungs and a neat hole on the other side it was 63kg and ran 60 yds 95gn sst
Thanks Selous,
My missus is getting into shooting & deer stalking, like a lot of women she actually takes things a whole lot more seriously than us blokes - admits she has lots to learn & doesn't claim she already knows everything. However, like a lot of women she's not always so eager to take advice from her OH
So, that pic of yours is well-timed, I'll save it for her, and she can study it.
It shows exactly what I've been saying to her, which is basically, "split the front legs & halfway up the body"
Norfolk Deer Search
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Go buy them yourself you tight git!Can I have them, please?
I am still waiting for your answer, to my question in relation to your hatred of copper?
If only all are deer presented like the perfect shot picture shows ....... The fact is they dont and we have to learn how to take shots from various angles , especially when you are looking to take more than a single beast from the group etc
Lee, Students never have any money......Go buy them yourself you tight git!
I am still waiting for your answer, to my question in relation to your hatred of copper?
12-2-2019- Gamekeeping, I plan to start a course at UHI this September
My experience of 308 130gn TTSX and 6.5 100gn TTSX is very similar to the OP’s experience, very limited or non existent blood trails. That being said they kill with authority, they don’t tend to blow up as badly so I really just aim for the major bones in the shoulder to pin them.
Slightly off topic-there certainly is the odd anomaly. Shot a stag a short while ago with a mates rifle (6.5x55 120g TTSX sako factory). It had seen us, ran to 100yds where I had a quick shot as it was only pausing briefly. It ran 40-60 yards and went down as expected. I moved in and it’s head came up so shot again and killed it (headshot). I thought I’d dragged the shot slightly but nope, double lung. It’d been sat there for ten minutes as well, just seeming hadn't bled out. Took 3 others that day with clinical performance with that rifle/round. That’s my overall experience-they kill well and are fit for purpose generally but there is the odd bemusing episode. My own rifles are hand loaded hot and kill very well.
Slightly off topic-there certainly is the odd anomaly. Shot a stag a short while ago with a mates rifle (6.5x55 120g TTSX sako factory). It had seen us, ran to 100yds where I had a quick shot as it was only pausing briefly. It ran 40-60 yards and went down as expected. I moved in and it’s head came up so shot again and killed it (headshot). I thought I’d dragged the shot slightly but nope, double lung. It’d been sat there for ten minutes as well, just seeming hadn't bled out. Took 3 others that day with clinical performance with that rifle/round. That’s my overall experience-they kill well and are fit for purpose generally but there is the odd bemusing episode. My own rifles are hand loaded hot and kill very well.
Heym SR20
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i dont get the gaping holes i got with lead on the oposite side of the beast but i do get opposite side exit holes very reliably! Thing id the big holes with lead ( reason i got them was of course was metal lost "lead mainly" ) Never got 100 % weight retention with lead , unless it misses totally you wont ever! Actually on ballance well happy , the dog can track but i have yet to need those services using ther TTSX
Brave Echo Niner
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The point still stands though - what @Selous has shown is where on a perfectly broadside animal to aim in order to hit top of heart. The point is take out top of the heart (not just try hit both lungs behind the shoulders like most people seem to think is ideal) and you'll get fewer runners and shorter run distance as well as good blood trails. The diagram produced is just an aid in explaining how you change from the traditional "best practice".
Perhaps the below best practice image would be more satisfactory to you even though it illustrates exactly the same point as has been made previous.
Ben
it is of course far better ilustrated ( which was my point really ) The hart and the cavity is inside the deer . The intention is and should always be " the best shot that presents " There are lots of much preferred shots on these beasts but we don't know the range or the wind etc . Best practice remains what it is "a classroom exercise"
nun_hunter
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It seems that traditionally people have settled on where to shoot, up the front legor just slightly behind and then have chosen bullets that work well here. Lead bullets that expand and lose a lot of weight by shedding lead into the chest cavity.
The same stalkers no doubt have either tried something like an Accubond and found it just punched a hole through so stopped using them and chose a more suitable bullet.
If these stalker's then try copper bullets and use the same point of aim funnily enough you'll get the same results as a really tough lead core bullet but in this case blame all copper bullets and not the fact they paired the wrong bullet to the wrong shot placement.
If you want to get a double lung shot to save some meat then using a copper bullet designed for 100% weight retention isn't the right choice but something like the Virtus or Yewtree TLR is more suitable with shedding the copper petals.
If you have always shot through the shoulders to drop on the spot or take out the Hillar zone then switching to copper will have little to no difference.
The same stalkers no doubt have either tried something like an Accubond and found it just punched a hole through so stopped using them and chose a more suitable bullet.
If these stalker's then try copper bullets and use the same point of aim funnily enough you'll get the same results as a really tough lead core bullet but in this case blame all copper bullets and not the fact they paired the wrong bullet to the wrong shot placement.
If you want to get a double lung shot to save some meat then using a copper bullet designed for 100% weight retention isn't the right choice but something like the Virtus or Yewtree TLR is more suitable with shedding the copper petals.
If you have always shot through the shoulders to drop on the spot or take out the Hillar zone then switching to copper will have little to no difference.
I would add that I tend to pin shoot because the Barnes tend to not blow the shoulders to bits, not because I struggle to find deer off H/L shots. Putting my preferred lead option (Sierra) through shoulders tender to yield a rather dramatic result that game dealers dislike. With aforementioned TTSX home loads deer don’t tend to trundle more than a few yards.
This was with .308 SST some years ago. I soon ditched these, always massive carcass damage
After years and hundreds of deer with my favourite Swift Sciroccos in 6.5 and Partitions in .308 (both Goldilocks bullets, good expansion but not too much), I moved to Fox 123g in 6.5mm.
A wobbly start, but now some 38 deer later, this is the result - small hole in, destroyed internals, somewhat larger hole on the way out. Just as good as the aforementioned lead cored bullets in my opinion.
After years and hundreds of deer with my favourite Swift Sciroccos in 6.5 and Partitions in .308 (both Goldilocks bullets, good expansion but not too much), I moved to Fox 123g in 6.5mm.A wobbly start, but now some 38 deer later, this is the result - small hole in, destroyed internals, somewhat larger hole on the way out. Just as good as the aforementioned lead cored bullets in my opinion.
How big is the exit wound? Assuming that you are always getting one.
Indeed, the fragmenting tin section certainly seems to do a lot of internal damage.
Norfolk Deer Search
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If you ate going to double lung deer, their going to run no matter what bullet you use!
This pic is from my copper archives 130gb ttsx from my 270win, now i think you will agree, this bullet had done the job lovely.
If memory serves me well, it was a long shot on a large hind, i call a long shot over 300m
This pic is from my copper archives 130gb ttsx from my 270win, now i think you will agree, this bullet had done the job lovely.
If memory serves me well, it was a long shot on a large hind, i call a long shot over 300m
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