Caveat Emptor - Tikka T3X Lite Wideland Veil Rifles

200 cycles? You must have very low expectations of a coating….especially Cerakote.

For the revenue made on the 1 million+ T3’s or whatever it was…I would expect them to sort the rifles complained about, they would not need a full recall as some may be happy to plod on with their poor coating. It would go a long way to keeping future customers and I would be willing to bet the US customer would be more particular about this than the U.K. customers (and they sell a hell of a lot more in the US)

Regards,
Gixer
I'd like to see someone ceracote two smooth pieces of metal and then rub them against each other with an appropriate level of force and pressure and expect them to remain perfect.

Quite rightly as you have said Tikka sell millions of T3s so they're not going to be concerned because one person has complained about a totally expected cosmetic issue. Judging from the posts on here people thinking this paint wear is an issue are firmly in the minority.
 
I'd like to see someone ceracote two smooth pieces of metal and then rub them against each other with an appropriate level of force and pressure and expect them to remain perfect.

Quite rightly as you have said Tikka sell millions of T3s so they're not going to be concerned because one person has complained about a totally expected cosmetic issue. Judging from the posts on here people thinking this paint wear is an issue are firmly in the minority.
So if Cerakote is so bad on that surface you agree it was a design error to put it there? Or if you think Cerakote is worthwhile - it’s a poor coating job….either way shouldn’t happen.

If the laquer/varnish on a shotgun stock started coming off after 200 uses I’d be concerned…

Yes, it maybe in a relatively hidden place but the fact it bothers the Op shows it to be a genuine concern.

Regards,
Gixer
 
So if Cerakote is so bad on that surface you agree it was a design error to put it there? Or if you think Cerakote is worthwhile - it’s a poor coating job….either way shouldn’t happen.

If the laquer/varnish on a shotgun stock started coming off after 200 uses I’d be concerned…

Yes, it maybe in a relatively hidden place but the fact it bothers the Op shows it to be a genuine concern.

Regards,
Gixer
I assume it's inside the action because it's not financially viable to mask it while painting then remove the masking to let it cure so it's just sprayed all over. Nor is it then cost effective to polish off the cerakote after painting. They know it's a thin coating which will protect the outer surfaces and will wear off the insides where metal rubs.

The shotgun varnish analogy doesn't really work as the cerakote isn't wearing off on the outside of the stock. After 200 cartridges my brand new Beretta shotgun was showing polishing marks where the metal action breaks open and rubs. I don't think I've seen a used shotgun that doesn't have those marks where the metal rubs. If I'd been rubbing a piece of metal over the varnished stock 200 times I'd expect that to wear too.

The bluing or cerakote rubs off a barrel because a plastic moderator bush gently rubs it over time. This is well known and pretty much expected from that sort of a set up so I'm not sure why it's a surprise when it's metal on metal friction?
 
I'd like to see someone ceracote two smooth pieces of metal and then rub them against each other with an appropriate level of force and pressure and expect them to remain perfect.

Quite rightly as you have said Tikka sell millions of T3s so they're not going to be concerned because one person has complained about a totally expected cosmetic issue. Judging from the posts on here people thinking this paint wear is an issue are firmly in the minority.
yet how many of folks commenting have actually had guns done by respected contractors , correctly done with soda blasting kit to prepare surfaces for application and big ovens to bake what is as the name implies a ceramic coating ? Less than 50% , way less i bet!
I have below enclosed two pictures of mine, both done by different contactors. The shotgun has done perhaps 200 trips onto a proper muddy saltmarsh , its got one very slight mark in the finish " tiny" The rifle was done the first lockdown its got to have done more than 500 rounds in the field , light rub mark where the moderator back bush has rubbed ( when it was blued it had a shiny patch that occured very soon after buying ) . thread cover where the two faces meet are no longer an invisible joint . Been banged around for miles in the argo. Bolt raceways are still spot on .
 

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Until it’s worn away by friction! If you’re gonna adhere to this philosophy go with the blasting of your choice as a carrier of lubricant.

K
Which has not happened ! 500 plus rounds on an empty bullet box audit ( more like 700-800 or more because i actually use the boxes for keeping small parts in the workshop). Mating surfaces like thread cover to the face of the screw cutting will no longer be invisible after being removed a and a moderator screwed on .
 
The only use I’m questioning is that of the appropriateness or otherwise of coating the inside of a bolt action rifle with the stuff.

But at the end of the day it’s just another case of whatever “works for you” but in this case clearly not for Sako.

K
 
yet how many of folks commenting have actually had guns done by respected contractors , correctly done with soda blasting kit to prepare surfaces for application and big ovens to bake what is as the name implies a ceramic coating ? Less than 50% , way less i bet!
I have below enclosed two pictures of mine, both done by different contactors. The shotgun has done perhaps 200 trips onto a proper muddy saltmarsh , its got one very slight mark in the finish " tiny" The rifle was done the first lockdown its got to have done more than 500 rounds in the field , light rub mark where the moderator back bush has rubbed ( when it was blued it had a shiny patch that occured very soon after buying ) . thread cover where the two faces meet are no longer an invisible joint . Been banged around for miles in the argo. Bolt raceways are still spot on .

Cerakote is used on handguns, the slide frame interface will have a far harder life than the bolt/receiver. If it works on these pistols it should easily stand use on a rifle.
 
sauer 100 had problems with there cerakote on rifles and redid rifles with problems, but they were not stupid enough to do the inside, they now have gone back to stainless , but as I tell all customers, it’s stainless not rust less.
As with benelli and it’s B.E.S.T coating, this does not cover the inside of the barrel.
 
The oven curing sounds great however it is only the curing of a polymer not a ceramic sintering function... one should not mix that up. Temperatures are way to low for ceramic sintering. Yes I have a degree in materials and surface technologies. We mainly use duracoat (every day) which is apart from the marketing campaign not too different to Cerakote. Wears off or scratches similar, needs similar prepping. We also oven cure. Yes prepping, application as well as cure parameters are very important.
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yet how many of folks commenting have actually had guns done by respected contractors , correctly done with soda blasting kit to prepare surfaces for application and big ovens to bake what is as the name implies a ceramic coating ? Less than 50% , way less i bet!
I have below enclosed two pictures of mine, both done by different contactors. The shotgun has done perhaps 200 trips onto a proper muddy saltmarsh , its got one very slight mark in the finish " tiny" The rifle was done the first lockdown its got to have done more than 500 rounds in the field , light rub mark where the moderator back bush has rubbed ( when it was blued it had a shiny patch that occured very soon after buying ) . thread cover where the two faces meet are no longer an invisible joint . Been banged around for miles in the argo. Bolt raceways are still spot on .
I agree but this is a mass produced factory rifle for a small amount more than an identical rifle without the cerakote.

If it was a custom job or a rifle costing three times the price I'd expect a more time consuming application to be used.
 
The only use I’m questioning is that of the appropriateness or otherwise of coating the inside of a bolt action rifle with the stuff.

But at the end of the day it’s just another case of whatever “works for you” but in this case clearly not for Sako.

K
Sako? The OP has a Tikka.
 
Sako? The OP has a Tikka.
Tikka is owned by Sako. As I've also reported earlier on, my Sako S20 is also similiarly Cerakoted inside and despite significant use, it shows no wear! @nun_hunter the loss of Cerakote starts before the bolt hold-back - the only wear that rearmost portion sees is during bolt fitment removal. You can quickly estimate how few times that has actually happening in the 4 months since I acquired the rifle.

Time to close the thread - I've had my opportunity to vent and I'm considering possible legal action on the advice of a MOD colleague who is also a solicitor. I like the rifle greatly - its GMK's attitude that annoys me.
 
I agree but this is a mass produced factory rifle for a small amount more than an identical rifle without the cerakote.

If it was a custom job or a rifle costing three times the price I'd expect a more time consuming application to be used.
fit for purpose is fit for purpose ! Thing is this will have been done by a contractor i suspect and the seller is responsible ultimately the cost of restitution should move back from the retailer unfortunately in law its the retailer who is the least at fault and next to the client is the one who will suffer the most before it gets passed down the line
sale of goods act is what it is if it cost £1 or £1000
I agree but this is a mass produced factory rifle for a small amount more than an identical rifle without the cerakote.

If it was a custom job or a rifle costing three times the price I'd expect a more time consuming application to be used.
Come on now , Price charged is not an excuse for correct application " fit for purpose for which it was intended " . if something is expected to happen then the customer should be made aware in advance . Go to court with that argument and the judge would certainly ask " in which way and when did you make this fact known to your customer ? " " Fit for Purpose" is the main criteria in this area , in weeks or months thats going to be hard to say " yes its fit for the purpose it was intended " .
 
Tikka is owned by Sako. As I've also reported earlier on, my Sako S20 is also similiarly Cerakoted inside and despite significant use, it shows no wear! @nun_hunter the loss of Cerakote starts before the bolt hold-back - the only wear that rearmost portion sees is during bolt fitment removal. You can quickly estimate how few times that has actually happening in the 4 months since I acquired the rifle.

Time to close the thread - I've had my opportunity to vent and I'm considering possible legal action on the advice of a MOD colleague who is also a solicitor. I like the rifle greatly - its GMK's attitude that annoys me.
good luck but you wont need much of it to win ( bet you never even step foot in court ) its getting settled sharpish i bet , easy win
 
Tikka is owned by Sako. As I've also reported earlier on, my Sako S20 is also similiarly Cerakoted inside and despite significant use, it shows no wear! @nun_hunter the loss of Cerakote starts before the bolt hold-back - the only wear that rearmost portion sees is during bolt fitment removal. You can quickly estimate how few times that has actually happening in the 4 months since I acquired the rifle.

Time to close the thread - I've had my opportunity to vent and I'm considering possible legal action on the advice of a MOD colleague who is also a solicitor. I like the rifle greatly - its GMK's attitude that annoys me.
Oh come on! Porsche is owned by VW but a VW Golf isn't a Porsche 911. The rifle in question isn't a Sako!
 
Agree, although I've found that the only oils/greases that will stop a Tikka stainless barrel or action from rusting when brought into a warm house from the damp cold outside are the likes of Renaissance wax or XCP. Cerakote helps, especially when its 2am and don't have time to do a full dry, but nothing is perfect, it all wears away sooner or later.
The old gun grease is good... and makes no difference to an action screwed into a plastic stock with nil bedding. I also tend to liberally wipe down Externally with wd40 or a ptfe spray.

Was wondering about fabric tape on scopes, mods and barrel - will it hold on to moisture or be an impervious barrier....?
 
Tikka is owned by Sako. As I've also reported earlier on, my Sako S20 is also similiarly Cerakoted inside and despite significant use, it shows no wear! @nun_hunter the loss of Cerakote starts before the bolt hold-back - the only wear that rearmost portion sees is during bolt fitment removal. You can quickly estimate how few times that has actually happening in the 4 months since I acquired the rifle.

Time to close the thread - I've had my opportunity to vent and I'm considering possible legal action on the advice of a MOD colleague who is also a solicitor. I like the rifle greatly - its GMK's attitude that annoys me.
Don't close it just yet, let us know how you get on as I am genuinely interested in the outcome whatever it may be.
 
Tikka is owned by Sako. As I've also reported earlier on, my Sako S20 is also similiarly Cerakoted inside and despite significant use, it shows no wear! @nun_hunter the loss of Cerakote starts before the bolt hold-back - the only wear that rearmost portion sees is during bolt fitment removal. You can quickly estimate how few times that has actually happening in the 4 months since I acquired the rifle.

Time to close the thread - I've had my opportunity to vent and I'm considering possible legal action on the advice of a MOD colleague who is also a solicitor. I like the rifle greatly - its GMK's attitude that annoys me.
both are owned by Berretta .
 
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