I've got a dsc gen 1 sat on my 7mm rem , never had a problem with it and seems to work well , yes it's a lump but not ridiculous !
S/H Swarovski DS1 or new Burris Eliminator??
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Well, @Donkey Basher, you’ve got some thinking to do now!
I’d say your best bet is to see a DS1 in the flesh if you can. @caberslash didn’t get on with the one he was using but @wytonpjs, @243ack and @Jamouk all seem to like theirs! The issue is, everyone’s eyes are different - what might look brilliant to you looks awful to someone else. I really like Kahles glass but a good friend of mine thinks it’s awful…
Hopefully you can find someone with one close to you to take a look at and see for yourself!
I’d say your best bet is to see a DS1 in the flesh if you can. @caberslash didn’t get on with the one he was using but @wytonpjs, @243ack and @Jamouk all seem to like theirs! The issue is, everyone’s eyes are different - what might look brilliant to you looks awful to someone else. I really like Kahles glass but a good friend of mine thinks it’s awful…
Hopefully you can find someone with one close to you to take a look at and see for yourself!
Never owned one, but had clients out who did.
So, I’m up the high tower glassing the edges of a wood 120yds away. Client had been doing the same with his accolades. After a few minutes I look across and he’s on his smartphone using an App to configure his “ballistics.
Now that’s just “pish”…
DG
Totally agree Davy. Please see my above post re: numpties. All configuration of data should be done when zeroing scope.Never owned one, but had clients out who did.
So, I’m up the high tower glassing the edges of a wood 120yds away. Client had been doing the same with his accolades. After a few minutes I look across and he’s on his smartphone using an App to configure his “ballistics.
Now that’s just “pish”…
DG
Sometimes, you just can't educate pork - but you can blame the kit!.
Only one button to press when in the field. Don't take long!!.
Perhaps this was the only spare time the Client in question had to configure his app as too busy at all other times earning the money to pay for his guided outing.Never owned one, but had clients out who did.
So, I’m up the high tower glassing the edges of a wood 120yds away. Client had been doing the same with his accolades. After a few minutes I look across and he’s on his smartphone using an App to configure his “ballistics.
Now that’s just “pish”…
DG
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I bought one when I was contracting,bought it second had for oh I think it was £2500 then (this was pre gen 2days). My opinions are yes it’s a bit heavy! I can live with that it’s no worse than a moderator, once trued up they are great I must say especially for them fast shots on the stocks or if you bump something you just ping it and shoot it. Shot foxes out to 500 with it no bother at all. I then traded that and bought a gen 2 which is equally good with the only difference being you can choose your cross hair. I do still have dialers ( NF Atacrs) but I have 2 fens 2 ds’s on my stalking rifles. They will cull you more deer than not having one and I’ve never had a issue at last light that you don’t get with a normal scope, the only one that might get you a extra 5 mins is the old 8x56 smhit. Each go there own but I’ve never had a fault with the 3 I have and I wouldn’t be without one.
Well I have owned both a Swaro and a Burris, both have there faults.
Swaro most dissapointingly is the light transmission and weight, plus mounts are limited..
Burris has a quite few problems, the parralax is critical if you get it wrong the picture just washes out, the illumination is absolutely crap as it is too bright for any lowlight shooting, minimum brightness is perfect for a dull day. I did speak to Burris about this and asked them could it be altered via the software port, they told me that if the sticker over the software is removed then the warranty is void..The mounts are a bit Heath Robinson with different thickness pads to align the scope in the horizontal position, other than that it was easy to setup and in daylight was just as good as the Swaro. One advantage over the Swaro was the switch which could be mounted anywhere on the stock which made it easy to press without taking your eye of the ball. Very accurate out to around 800yds didn't take it any further no need. Just wish someone like Leica Zeiss or S&B would come up with an alternative, because the DS in low light is no better than a hawk. I would like to add if the illumination on the burris could be turnd down to a minimum i would have one over the DS.
Swaro most dissapointingly is the light transmission and weight, plus mounts are limited..
Burris has a quite few problems, the parralax is critical if you get it wrong the picture just washes out, the illumination is absolutely crap as it is too bright for any lowlight shooting, minimum brightness is perfect for a dull day. I did speak to Burris about this and asked them could it be altered via the software port, they told me that if the sticker over the software is removed then the warranty is void..The mounts are a bit Heath Robinson with different thickness pads to align the scope in the horizontal position, other than that it was easy to setup and in daylight was just as good as the Swaro. One advantage over the Swaro was the switch which could be mounted anywhere on the stock which made it easy to press without taking your eye of the ball. Very accurate out to around 800yds didn't take it any further no need. Just wish someone like Leica Zeiss or S&B would come up with an alternative, because the DS in low light is no better than a hawk. I would like to add if the illumination on the burris could be turnd down to a minimum i would have one over the DS.
I can honestly say I’ve never struggled at low light or in the spot light with the ds’s griff,I know a lot of people do but I’ve no complaints with Mine at all
Exactly this, Me and my mate both have have the DS1 and they're brilliant scopes, Having changed from a high end Zeiss scope I can't notice any difference in low light.I can honestly say I’ve never struggled at low light or in the spot light with the ds’s griff,I know a lot of people do but I’ve no complaints with Mine at all
I have used a DS1, I’m sure @Steven mclean won’t mind me tagging him as it’s his and was pretty impressed with it - even more impressive was him hitting gongs out to 700 (I think it was) with first shots…
Sure, it’s heavy, but not sure heavy that you can’t carry it around for a day.
I guess when they work, they work but there will always be teething issues and some of those maybe down to people not knowing their actual ballistics to enter into the scope.
Your other option is RF binos and a Z6/Z8 set up for 200, 300, 400 and 500 as that’s a quick set up with the ballistics car turret markers and the 50 yards between - for example 350 yards, is never far off when I just wind the turret to half way between 300 and 400 - it’s usually within an inch or so.
Regards,
Gixer
Sure, it’s heavy, but not sure heavy that you can’t carry it around for a day.
I guess when they work, they work but there will always be teething issues and some of those maybe down to people not knowing their actual ballistics to enter into the scope.
Your other option is RF binos and a Z6/Z8 set up for 200, 300, 400 and 500 as that’s a quick set up with the ballistics car turret markers and the 50 yards between - for example 350 yards, is never far off when I just wind the turret to half way between 300 and 400 - it’s usually within an inch or so.
Regards,
Gixer
Selling some 40mm Tier One mounts on here !
The tiny cover plate screws are captive, and only ever loosened when setting the zero.
Never had issues with zero being held, or the picture quality.
So far, the LRF has worked flawlessly, but it's only as good as the data loaded ! The biggest issue will be inaccurate velocities, and iffy manufacturer BC's.
Never had issues with zero being held, or the picture quality.
So far, the LRF has worked flawlessly, but it's only as good as the data loaded ! The biggest issue will be inaccurate velocities, and iffy manufacturer BC's.
Seems opinions are divided but in summary it seems the Burris is a non-starter as having to fiddle around sorting the parallax negates any benefit of having a scope like this in the first place, I'd imagine that its light transmission isn't that good either. Light transfer also seems to be the negative for the DS too & I need a scope that doesn't limit use of the 'magic hour' each end of the day.
For now I've decided to stick with the big Zeiss & my old LRF800 & stay old skool.
For now I've decided to stick with the big Zeiss & my old LRF800 & stay old skool.
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norcan
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Wasn't aware of this. Is there a difference between the Burris and the Swaro when it comes to parallax adjustment?
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