Marksmanship Standards

So I was at a range today that shall remain nameless as it's not about the range but the shooters. It is primarily used by stalkers and vermin shooters. I have a pretty miserable view of stalkers shooting abilities generally but after today I have to question the availability of a FAC without a firearms competency test.

The target area is surrounded by a 5'+ square of timber which was peppered with bullet holes. Some very large bullet holes. Not ones that are being shot at bunnies. Fortunately for them, the shooters are nameless but such was the number of negligent discharges (3' 4' and maybe even more, cannot be considered anything else) that these people represent a danger to the rest of us, either physically or that they do something like that out stalking and somebody catches a bullet with the inevitable firearms law review.

Clearly these people don't know (or perhaps care) about bore sighting a rifle and don't know what to do if a shot does not appear on the target.

I hear all the stuff about maintaining our freedoms so no compulsory training, tests etc however after that today I am afraid I have changed my mind. Freedoms only survive if people are responsible enough to make sure they are competent and operate safely. Clearly not everybody is, or cares, and that is the environment where more legislation will appear eventually.

I now am coming to the view that the DSC1 shooting test is inadequate. It should include mounting and zeroing a scope with bore sighting. That is a basic skill. I am also coming the view that if DSC2 is supposed to demonstrate competence then it should include shooting test to a much higher level ie out to 300 yards prone and equivalent off sticks etc. At the moment you can whack a deer at 50 yards and are deemed be fully competent. Eh naw.

Most of you will disagree with me, but you did not see what I did. If someone was shooting like that on a range with me I would be off home quick.
 
Not knowing which range this thread is all about, do they not have RO’s monitoring what is going on?
At Bisley i have seen people being reprimanded for closing the bolt on a rifle with the muzzle pointing over the top of the sand bank.
We have our own RO’s at the club and if they see any rifle being taken to the firing point without a breech flag clearly visible then you get a kicking.
If the mag is in the rifle then 🤬

We have never had a negligent discharge in all the time we have shot there as a club. It have had a few crappy shots which were off target!!
Bisley would not get clearance as a range today , its a pretty insane spot to have a range
 
They don’t sound like ND’s to me, more rifles in the process of being zeroed/previous targets groups. I know on occasion struggling to sight a rifle in I’ve been way off the money at 100m.

I think it’s a dangerous thing to propose further barriers to entry to a sport. We already have some of the tightest gun laws in the world, a lengthy process to obtain an FAC, mandatory training to obtain ticket and more often than not to join a syndicate. How much harder does it need to be until folks that would stalk recreationally are put off, and if so what are the consequences of dwindling interest?

If an organisation wants its stalkers to pass a test so be it, your house your rules-same with non-lead etc. But making it a nationally mandated scheme is a little strong IMO.
 
They don’t sound like ND’s to me, more rifles in the process of being zeroed/previous targets groups. I know on occasion struggling to sight a rifle in I’ve been way off the money at 100m.

I think it’s a dangerous thing to propose further barriers to entry to a sport. We already have some of the tightest gun laws in the world, a lengthy process to obtain an FAC, mandatory training to obtain ticket and more often than not to join a syndicate. How much harder does it need to be until folks that would stalk recreationally are put off, and if so what are the consequences of dwindling interest?

If an organisation wants its stalkers to pass a test so be it, your house your rules-same with non-lead etc. But making it a nationally mandated scheme is a little strong IMO.
Especially considering the minuscule number of incidents involving firearms.
 
Bisley would not get clearance as a range today , its a pretty insane spot to have a range
The insanity was building 100,000’s of houses around it. Bisley was there first!

For clarification a Negligent Discharge is any firearm being discharged when not ready or when not safe and is due to the shooter, an Accidental Discharge is due to a mechanical failure of the firearm such as a sear failure.
 
The insanity was building 100,000’s of houses around it. Bisley was there first!

For clarification a Negligent Discharge is any firearm being discharged when not ready or when not safe and is due to the shooter, an Accidental Discharge is due to a mechanical failure of the firearm such as a sear failure.
the insanity and death of most ranges is location not well thought out into the future and not owning a big enough buffer beyond to prevent so many issues .
Glad i am not a target shooter at present , with lead recovery rules, folks who simply think they can go wherever they want to and monks who buy property by a shooting range then try to shut it down .
 
the insanity and death of most ranges is location not well thought out into the future and not owning a big enough buffer beyond to prevent so many issues .
Glad i am not a target shooter at present , with lead recovery rules, folks who simply think they can go wherever they want to and monks who buy property by a shooting range then try to shut it down .
Location not thought out into the future, probably they couldn't quite forsee the development around bisley in 1890 when it was built
 
the insanity and death of most ranges is location not well thought out into the future and not owning a big enough buffer beyond to prevent so many issues .
Glad i am not a target shooter at present , with lead recovery rules, folks who simply think they can go wherever they want to and monks who buy property by a shooting range then try to shut it down .
Monks started the Monastery in 1965, and Samye Ling opened in 1967, way before the shooting range was even an idea and about 7 years before Marc was born....
Just saying like.
 

They don’t sound like ND’s to me, more rifles in the process of being zeroed/previous targets groups. I know on occasion struggling to sight a rifle in I’ve been way off the money at 100m.

I think it’s a dangerous thing to propose further barriers to entry to a sport. We already have some of the tightest gun laws in the world, a lengthy process to obtain an FAC, mandatory training to obtain ticket and more often than not to join a syndicate. How much harder does it need to be until folks that would stalk recreationally are put off, and if so what are the consequences of dwindling interest?

If an organisation wants its stalkers to pass a test so be it, your house your rules-same with non-lead etc. But making it a nationally mandated scheme is a little strong IMO.
So is it too much to ask that somebody coming into the sport of deer stalking gets to a proficient standard with there rifle before shooting live quarry.
Strange how people buy a rifle with all the bells and whistles costing thousands of pounds and then belly ache about the cost of ammo, how far it is to a rifle range or what ever the latest excuse is. If you don't have land to sight in your rifle or practice on then using a range it is.
I went to Bisley once a month during the spring summer months when I lived in the UK. Bisley was not exatly close to Chichester. If people want to stalk deer then put in the time to get proficient or get a more suitable hobby.
I have a 100 mtr rifle range in my garden but still drive a hour and a half to shoot the running boar range with my mate. We shoot, drink coffee and talk bollocks putting the world to rights. Perhaps I'm getting to much enjoyment out of my practiceing?
 
Yesterday I zeroed a rifle, bore sighted it as normal, same as I have done god knows how many thousands of times before, although I did rush it slightly due to time constraints.
Shot it at an A3 size target at 100yds, missed the paper and I picked up the splash about a foot or so right of the paper, quick twiddle of the turrets and second shot was 3" left and 2" low.
Backstop was safe, but apparently I am now guilty of a ND according to the OP :-|
 
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Backstop was safe, but apparently I am now guilty of a ND according to the OP :-|
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There is a four letter word that covers that.
 
The insanity was building 100,000’s of houses around it. Bisley was there first!

For clarification a Negligent Discharge is any firearm being discharged when not ready or when not safe and is due to the shooter, an Accidental Discharge is due to a mechanical failure of the firearm such as a sear failure.
I think that if deepcut wasn’t next door then Bisley would be a housing estate now.
 
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