National wild venison standard

Lee its the fact's in the way you see it!

I don't think you have offended many people with your blinkered views on this subject

Hayho it's going to be quiet now.
If you go back to page 1. I don’t think he’s actually said anything or raised any concerns that haven’t already been brought up. It’s just that wonderful inimitable and flowery style :lol:

Not disagreeing with NDS either, I’m largely on the same page with his views on this.
 
For those that haven't actually met NDS (Lee) you won't find a nicer bloke out there in the deer stalking world, I did my witnessed L2 with him 11 years ago, and more recently spent a weekend chasing CWD and muntjac.
I have seen up close where he works and the admin work he has to complete to put chicken on our plates, yes I'm sure we have all eaten some of it, thanks Lee!
As said above, he knows what is coming (red tractor scheme in disguise) and gets frustrated, but I for one have listened.
 
I’ll second that, not only on this issue but also his experience of killing deer with copper. He has personally helped my transition from lead to copper.
Yes at times on here there has been a brashness but he knows what he is talking about.
I feel that SD has lost a great asset and hope we don’t regret this decision.

BE
 
British Quality Wild Venison Standard Webinar. Thurs 13th July. Free
The British Quality Wild Venison Standard has been developed by a cross-sector working group, including the Forestry Commission (Chair), Grown in Britain, Forestry England, Natural Resources Wales, National Game Dealers Association, British Association for Shooting and Conservation, British Deer Society and the National Gamekeepers Organisation. SAI Global will administer applications for the Standard and award certificates to those who can demonstrate they meet the required brief. Grown in Britain will have oversight of the Standard.

The British Wild Venison Working Group, aims to enhance the wild venison market for the benefit of the sector, increasing sector capacity, transparency, and venison sales.

This webinar will support the launch of the ‘British Quality Wild Venison Standard’ and provide an opportunity to ask questions related to the scheme. The event will be hosted by the Forestry Commission, booking is essential via the Eventbrite link below

British Quality Wild Venison Standard webinar

Background to the BQWV Standard - David Hooton FC Deer Officer

Requirements to have a standard - Christin Nissen Highland Game

Q and A session

For more information British Quality Wild Venison - Quality assurance for British Wild Venison
 
British Quality Wild Venison Standard Webinar. Thurs 13th July. Free
The British Quality Wild Venison Standard has been developed by a cross-sector working group, including the Forestry Commission (Chair), Grown in Britain, Forestry England, Natural Resources Wales, National Game Dealers Association, British Association for Shooting and Conservation, British Deer Society and the National Gamekeepers Organisation. SAI Global will administer applications for the Standard and award certificates to those who can demonstrate they meet the required brief. Grown in Britain will have oversight of the Standard.

The British Wild Venison Working Group, aims to enhance the wild venison market for the benefit of the sector, increasing sector capacity, transparency, and venison sales.

This webinar will support the launch of the ‘British Quality Wild Venison Standard’ and provide an opportunity to ask questions related to the scheme. The event will be hosted by the Forestry Commission, booking is essential via the Eventbrite link below

British Quality Wild Venison Standard webinar

Background to the BQWV Standard - David Hooton FC Deer Officer

Requirements to have a standard - Christin Nissen Highland Game

Q and A session

For more information British Quality Wild Venison - Quality assurance for British Wild Venison
Hopefully Lee will be taking a leading role in this webinar given his huge experience and passion for the subject. I look forward to hearing him tell it straight to those involved. It will be pretty disappointing if he doesn’t given how much he has ranted on here about it.
 
Hopefully Lee will be taking a leading role in this webinar given his huge experience and passion for the subject. I look forward to hearing him tell it straight to those involved. It will be pretty disappointing if he doesn’t given how much he has ranted on here about it.
Actually he has, perhaps you could as well to give some input? You would have to give your real name though.
 
Hopefully Lee will be taking a leading role in this webinar given his huge experience and passion for the subject. I look forward to hearing him tell it straight to those involved. It will be pretty disappointing if he doesn’t given how much he has ranted on here about it.

See my post 199 in this thread - myself, Lee and a few others that I know of have had lots of real conversations with the folk involved in this new standard and that is hugely important.
 
British Quality Wild Venison Standard Webinar. Thurs 13th July. Free
The British Quality Wild Venison Standard has been developed by a cross-sector working group, including the Forestry Commission (Chair), Grown in Britain, Forestry England, Natural Resources Wales, National Game Dealers Association, British Association for Shooting and Conservation, British Deer Society and the National Gamekeepers Organisation. SAI Global will administer applications for the Standard and award certificates to those who can demonstrate they meet the required brief. Grown in Britain will have oversight of the Standard.

The British Wild Venison Working Group, aims to enhance the wild venison market for the benefit of the sector, increasing sector capacity, transparency, and venison sales.

This webinar will support the launch of the ‘British Quality Wild Venison Standard’ and provide an opportunity to ask questions related to the scheme. The event will be hosted by the Forestry Commission, booking is essential via the Eventbrite link below

British Quality Wild Venison Standard webinar

Background to the BQWV Standard - David Hooton FC Deer Officer

Requirements to have a standard - Christin Nissen Highland Game

Q and A session

For more information British Quality Wild Venison - Quality assurance for British Wild Venison
+1 Signed up to find out more.
 
Red Tractor for deer

Its still an unregulated business. That relies on the AGHEs to manage it.

SQV contributor’s venison goes in the same chiller as non SQV member’s venison.

All the venison that comes out the sausage machine has an SQV stamp if the AGHE is SQV registered…

The cost to join and get the higher p/kg only really makes it worthwhile for major estates/agencies etc who already have higher standards than your average level.

Its either a standard that you have to work to or its a tax

I think I know what this one is…
 
Before Thursday’s meeting I decided to take some time out and consider the key differences from standard current practices by many and have posed some queries as well.

The BQWV Standard appears to be fundamentally setup for largish producers and AGHEs that wish to sell under the BQWV Brand. It does mean that BQWV stalkers [producers] cannot sell directly to retailers, under the brand, unless they are an BQWV AGHE themselves or they purchase the BQWV meat back from an accredited AGHE to sell one.

In other words, unless you want the Brand stamp then nothing should change in the immediate future.

The Standard will bring change compared to the current system [ie EHO] requirements. The way I have interpreted the Standard it will bring:
  • Requirements for a comprehensive Quality Policy & Objectives covering Documented Practices, HACCP, Hygiene, Record keeping etc
  • “Trained Hunter” to mean minimum of DSC2 or equivalent Large Game Handling qualification. – Does this mean that people who received Trained Hunter under DSC1 fall outside this scope?
  • HACCP will be ‘Risk Based” and based on “Best Practice”. One person must be trained in Risk Based HACCP. Training must be completed to ensure competence, and re-training is needed 3 yearly. [Cost can vary between c £100 to £2k although the Standard does not recommend the Level to which this training is needed]
  • A person is required to have First Aid training [level unspecified] [re-training is I believe every 5 years]
  • Producer requirements
    • Registered food business
    • Risk Assessments for any culling taking place and in public / firearms safety as a minimum
    • Food Safety Training – minimum cycle of 5 years for “specific” training
    • LEAD FREE BULLETS – Query as this is NOT a legal requirement
    • Note section 5 suggests that in field tagging however section 6.1 suggests on entry to larder
    • Storage chiller temperatures recorded continuously and additional twice per day if containing carcases
    • Larder must have trained first aider present
    • Water is to be tested for potability on an annual basis
    • Hand sinks to have knee / arm / foot operation
    • Increased record keeping and retention in comparison.
    • Concrete apron required in front of doors for loading and unloading, to allow for effluents / washing to go to correct drain
  • Processor [ie AGHE] requirements:
    • I have read and digested the requirements but have not included them here.

Before reading this document in significant detail, I had many more questions [and still do]. This Standard is specifically there to protect the BQWV brand. To comply with the Standard, [unless you’re already doing it] will involve substantial [in my opinion] investment of both time and expenditure. This Standard is not really going to be applicable to most small / medium stalking individuals as most will not truly benefit from selling under the Brand.

The greater concern is whether the Brand will be forced on us as a minimum standard if you sell to retailers or consumers. Also what I am not in agreement with is allowing the Standard to force the agendas [eg Lead free] of either people or organisations involved.

My thoughts are that it’s far from perfect, it is targeting a potential need for quality / food safety compliance; only people that feel the need will join [bearing in mind the cost and other investiture]; it needs to be managed properly and not a vehicle to destroy small businesses and stalkers [although I have my concerns]; and finally the ongoing financial support is not a given.

I am interested how this journey came to being, FC seem to have had a significant input but it isn’t clear as to the contribution of the other parties. What is clear is that the Stalker will probably not truly financially benefit given the increased costs and I don’t see that the retailer / AGHE will give up their profit margins to help the producer. The market has a price ceiling for goods and so unless this increases then benefits down the line will dwindle.

I would like to point out that I am personally not going to be affected by this, well unless it is forced upon us all as the must do to survive in the sport.

The points raised are those that I have taken from the document [I am sure that there is more in the detail], everyone will have a view with some different from mine and those of others.
 
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If you want to sell more venison, just do what is
Our company bought all staff one yesterday
 
If you want to sell more venison, just do what is
Our company bought all staff one yesterday

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Venison burgers always sell well. I can't make them fast enough, sometimes.
 
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Venison burgers always sell well. I can't make them fast enough, sometimes.
Also every hunting and fishing store is handing out vouchers for a free serving of 🍟 with every burger purchased.
On the burger side, I turned a whole steer into burgers for a music event, we made more money than if we had sold it by the joint, here one of the largest pheasant shoots makes a pheasant burger.
 
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I wonder if enough 'producers' and AGHE's have signed up to make this viable?

I personally don't know of any stalkers that have to date.
Despite it being announced, the last I have heard from Intertek on 12 May was:

Thank you for your enquiry with regard to the BQWV Scheme, we are currently completing the final elements of the scheme.

We will be in touch shortly to progress your application to the next stage..........
 
British Quality Wild Venison Standard Webinar. Thurs 13th July. Free
The British Quality Wild Venison Standard has been developed by a cross-sector working group, including the Forestry Commission (Chair), Grown in Britain, Forestry England, Natural Resources Wales, National Game Dealers Association, British Association for Shooting and Conservation, British Deer Society and the National Gamekeepers Organisation. SAI Global will administer applications for the Standard and award certificates to those who can demonstrate they meet the required brief. Grown in Britain will have oversight of the Standard.

The British Wild Venison Working Group, aims to enhance the wild venison market for the benefit of the sector, increasing sector capacity, transparency, and venison sales.

This webinar will support the launch of the ‘British Quality Wild Venison Standard’ and provide an opportunity to ask questions related to the scheme. The event will be hosted by the Forestry Commission, booking is essential via the Eventbrite link below

British Quality Wild Venison Standard webinar

Background to the BQWV Standard - David Hooton FC Deer Officer

Requirements to have a standard - Christin Nissen Highland Game

Q and A session

For more information British Quality Wild Venison - Quality assurance for British Wild Venison
If you wish to know more about the scheme and have concerns please please sign up to the webinar,as its your chance to comment on it ! Its an hour of your time to help us all involved with deer management.
 
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